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This is true.
No getting out of it though if you think you've successfully wormed out of it, you haven't.
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Hahaha. Your clutching at straws. Accept it. You have been bested. Learn from this. So much hate and anger cannot be good for your blood pressure.
What would you landlord doubters say to extra tenant regulations?
That is -
if you haven't paid two due rents, out;
you leave the place in a **** state, something will actually be done and
tenants refusing to answer the deposit protection service, deposit returned to landlord immediately.
That is -
if you haven't paid two due rents, out;
you leave the place in a **** state, something will actually be done and
tenants refusing to answer the deposit protection service, deposit returned to landlord immediately.
Why not just knock 'em all down, and build traditional bungalows and houses instead? No need for fancy engineered fire escape chutes and the like then.
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Doggit
A shortage of properties will force some people to take a property that is not up to scratch, but most actually are. But what often happens, is that a property will need a repair, and the landlord won't get round to it untill the tenant moves out, and it has to be fixed before the next tenant can move in.
On the other side of the coin (and in most cases), a lot of properties are in good condition, but get ruined by the tenants being lazy, selfish, and stupid. They don't open windows, and then compain that a flats damp adn uninhabitable, when it's just mould caused by no ventilation. They spill things on the floor, and don't bother to get the vacum cleaner out. They break cupboard doors, and generaly allow (and often help) the property to fall into disrepair.
And part of the problem is caused by the managing agents who work for absent landlords. There are good ones, and there are those who make bad landlords look good. They'll happily take their 12% commision, but not bother to deal with any of the tenants problems.
Councils will use legislation to enforce rules on good and bad landlords alike, but don't unfortunately regulate the tenants; and having seen how my local selective licencing team works, they are a complete inept bunch of unemployable idiots that can't do any other job. I was redecorating a flat when they did an inspection, and I had the light switches off the wall to paint behind them, and one of the girls actually queried if I was going to leave them like that when the tenants moved in. I told her it was an inteligence test to see if the tenants were up to scratch, and I think she beleived me. They want an electrical inspection every 5 years when the regulations allow for 10. They want copies of the gas safety certificates, yet they regularly lose them, and then threaten you with not having one, so whilst £350 every 5 years isn't a stealth tax (as in charge by the back door) I would say that it's a way of funding a department that definitely isn't up to scratch.
And going back to the fire, the cladding wasn't supposed to burn, and the tenants were supposed to stay in their flats so that the fire brigade don't get trampled on. But reading some of the reports, The guy with the burning fridge packed his suitcases before he knocked on the neighbors door to warn them, and I suspect he left the flat door open, which could be why the stairwell filled with smoke. I'll be surprised if heads don't roll on this one, as the fire brigade are now saying they hope the death toll won't get into 3 figures.
On the other side of the coin (and in most cases), a lot of properties are in good condition, but get ruined by the tenants being lazy, selfish, and stupid. They don't open windows, and then compain that a flats damp adn uninhabitable, when it's just mould caused by no ventilation. They spill things on the floor, and don't bother to get the vacum cleaner out. They break cupboard doors, and generaly allow (and often help) the property to fall into disrepair.
And part of the problem is caused by the managing agents who work for absent landlords. There are good ones, and there are those who make bad landlords look good. They'll happily take their 12% commision, but not bother to deal with any of the tenants problems.
Councils will use legislation to enforce rules on good and bad landlords alike, but don't unfortunately regulate the tenants; and having seen how my local selective licencing team works, they are a complete inept bunch of unemployable idiots that can't do any other job. I was redecorating a flat when they did an inspection, and I had the light switches off the wall to paint behind them, and one of the girls actually queried if I was going to leave them like that when the tenants moved in. I told her it was an inteligence test to see if the tenants were up to scratch, and I think she beleived me. They want an electrical inspection every 5 years when the regulations allow for 10. They want copies of the gas safety certificates, yet they regularly lose them, and then threaten you with not having one, so whilst £350 every 5 years isn't a stealth tax (as in charge by the back door) I would say that it's a way of funding a department that definitely isn't up to scratch.
And going back to the fire, the cladding wasn't supposed to burn, and the tenants were supposed to stay in their flats so that the fire brigade don't get trampled on. But reading some of the reports, The guy with the burning fridge packed his suitcases before he knocked on the neighbors door to warn them, and I suspect he left the flat door open, which could be why the stairwell filled with smoke. I'll be surprised if heads don't roll on this one, as the fire brigade are now saying they hope the death toll won't get into 3 figures.
Most high rise buildings are constructed with dry internal walls, a recipe for rapid fire break through to other sections of the building,
There is a thing about tenants and landlords, both carry responsibility, landlord's cannot do anything about the stupidity of tenants except seek court order and evict a bad tenant, a tenant can report a bad landlord to the LA, but evicting a bad tenant may cost landlord thousands and several months in time for court cases to be heard, Whereas according to me, life of a tenant is not any more important than that of a house owner, or a landlord, so why are house owners with young children not being asked to fit mandatory smoke detectors, fire doors, and have their gas and electrical appliances serviced by competent persons each year and obtain safety certificates for inspection. Why impose such rules on landlords when the fact is all life is precious. Life is life, so why segregate tenant's life above that of a owner or a landlord.
As for tower blocks, they are altogether different kind of accommodation, here responsibilities would lie across a few people who are in charge of that block, the owners, landlord, and the tenants too, etc, It is horrible that so many people have lost their lives, these lives could have been saved regardless of materials used, that spread the fire rapidly, if only an early warning was given to all residents to leave the building in an orderly manner. Including using lifts with battery backed power system, so that lifts continue to work during power failure.
The thing is we are all accusing one another when the tragedy has occurred, blaming LA, developer, owner, builders, cladding company etc, but no one has said a thing about the Fire Alarm or lack of it, If an automatic fire alarm had been fitted in each flat and linked to a control panel, with voice command, and repeater panels on each floor, people would have been alerted and all the residents would have started to evacuated that building in some orderly manner, which the owners or landlords would have trained all residents on how to by conducting regular evacuation drills and monthly if not weekly fire alarm tests should have been carried out as routine safety measures. I am pretty sure for a tower block with 120 flats there should have been a care taker resident who should have been able to see to any early warning system.
There is a thing about tenants and landlords, both carry responsibility, landlord's cannot do anything about the stupidity of tenants except seek court order and evict a bad tenant, a tenant can report a bad landlord to the LA, but evicting a bad tenant may cost landlord thousands and several months in time for court cases to be heard, Whereas according to me, life of a tenant is not any more important than that of a house owner, or a landlord, so why are house owners with young children not being asked to fit mandatory smoke detectors, fire doors, and have their gas and electrical appliances serviced by competent persons each year and obtain safety certificates for inspection. Why impose such rules on landlords when the fact is all life is precious. Life is life, so why segregate tenant's life above that of a owner or a landlord.
As for tower blocks, they are altogether different kind of accommodation, here responsibilities would lie across a few people who are in charge of that block, the owners, landlord, and the tenants too, etc, It is horrible that so many people have lost their lives, these lives could have been saved regardless of materials used, that spread the fire rapidly, if only an early warning was given to all residents to leave the building in an orderly manner. Including using lifts with battery backed power system, so that lifts continue to work during power failure.
The thing is we are all accusing one another when the tragedy has occurred, blaming LA, developer, owner, builders, cladding company etc, but no one has said a thing about the Fire Alarm or lack of it, If an automatic fire alarm had been fitted in each flat and linked to a control panel, with voice command, and repeater panels on each floor, people would have been alerted and all the residents would have started to evacuated that building in some orderly manner, which the owners or landlords would have trained all residents on how to by conducting regular evacuation drills and monthly if not weekly fire alarm tests should have been carried out as routine safety measures. I am pretty sure for a tower block with 120 flats there should have been a care taker resident who should have been able to see to any early warning system.
Why would someone pack their Suitcases whilst there is a fire in their property, and how would a burning fridge in a kitchen set light to exterior cladding,
An odd report.
An odd report.
Two days before the fire in that tower, my stupid tenants keep removing or disconnecting the 9V pp3 battery from a smoke detector in a lobby next to the kitchen, because it goes off when they are cooking, many a times they don't bother switching on extractor fan, so i took this smoke detector off the ceiling and brought it home to modify it such that instead of removing batteries from it, they will be given a push button switch mounted on a wall near the cooker, so that if the smoke detector goes off, they can press this silence button and it will silence the buzzer but still remain active and after 5 minutes the silence feature will re-arm, so that the smoke detector is ready for any smoke alarm again, and again if it goes off whilst cooking they can press that button for another 5 minutes of silence, this will ensure that smoke detector batteries are never removed permanently, and cause me to get into trouble with the authorities, as by law |I am now required to have smoke alarms and fire doors in a 3 bedroom property as part of selective licensing , and yes it is a stealth tax, because mine is £850 for the next 5 years! Nearly every tenant I have had removes batteries from detectors, so now I am moving towards mains powered ones. But i am sure they (the tenants) will find other methods to defeat them like covering it up in duct tape! (Tenants really are irresponsible)
take that man who said his fridge had exploded! why did he not try to tackle the fire himself? why did he choose to pack his bags and on his way out he alerted his neighbour, so that shows tenants are selfish, brainless bunch of thugs!
I have one tenant, who fills up a bath with hot water, at my expense because rent includes all bills including Council tax, he is behind in paying me rent by 4 months, he still has to pay me rent for March, April, May and now June, so he fills up the bath every day, to almost where the bath overflow outlet is, then he closes the bathroom door completely and leaves the bathroom for water to cool down a bit, switches off the bathroom light as well, such that extractor fan stops, then half an hour later after he goes out to garden for a beer and a smoke, he jumps in the tub, in the mean time the whole bathroom is drenching with steam and condensation, and I am helplessly watching my bathroom and my privileges being abused, if it were not for the law I would have kicked his ****ing arse and got rid of scum tenant, only 4 months ago I had my bathroom retiled, and repainted, the ceiling has already started form the black mould, and the mould has even started to grow on the ceiling light switch, I have served him a section 21 notice that has expired and I will now need to spend £355.00 to file an eviction case against him that may take another 2 months, so this is what i have to put up with scums, and this particular scum I let him live in this house for absolutely free for two years rent free except he pays for bills, even that he kept falling behind with.
take that man who said his fridge had exploded! why did he not try to tackle the fire himself? why did he choose to pack his bags and on his way out he alerted his neighbour, so that shows tenants are selfish, brainless bunch of thugs!
I have one tenant, who fills up a bath with hot water, at my expense because rent includes all bills including Council tax, he is behind in paying me rent by 4 months, he still has to pay me rent for March, April, May and now June, so he fills up the bath every day, to almost where the bath overflow outlet is, then he closes the bathroom door completely and leaves the bathroom for water to cool down a bit, switches off the bathroom light as well, such that extractor fan stops, then half an hour later after he goes out to garden for a beer and a smoke, he jumps in the tub, in the mean time the whole bathroom is drenching with steam and condensation, and I am helplessly watching my bathroom and my privileges being abused, if it were not for the law I would have kicked his ****ing arse and got rid of scum tenant, only 4 months ago I had my bathroom retiled, and repainted, the ceiling has already started form the black mould, and the mould has even started to grow on the ceiling light switch, I have served him a section 21 notice that has expired and I will now need to spend £355.00 to file an eviction case against him that may take another 2 months, so this is what i have to put up with scums, and this particular scum I let him live in this house for absolutely free for two years rent free except he pays for bills, even that he kept falling behind with.
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Doggit
There will always be those that run, and those that take a calculated risk. I'm the type that would initially tackle the blaze, then if I realised that I couldn't deal with it, I'd work out the important things to take (wallet, passport, laptop) but I'm not sure I'd start packing clothes into a suitcase. The neighbours whom he woke up saw the suitcase outside his front door, and thensaw the fire in the kitchen as they went past. This one needs investigating further.
yes I am also wondering why only his fridge exploded on a power surge, as \i said who knows the truth, was he a terrorist preparing a bomb? did he keep chemicals in his fridge? and why did they not alert other residents, who could then have alerted most others like a chain of command, since the alarms did not work. and most importantly, what was in his suitcase that he did not want to leave behind?
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