How many RGI's here Do their own electical Work.

[ecowarrior]

I dont recall saying I didnt know what a ramp test was - mearly that there is no real reason to do them. What does it tell you ( that u actually need to know) that the other tests dont support?

So do I assume you dont know why a 3 pin plug on a boiler is so dangerous?

Why are u calling me a little boy? We may not share the same view but no need to get into name calling mode? If u can explain the plug issue it may give some creditability to all the other somewhat outspoken posts u have written? You say it contraviens the holy grail & that we should all be thrown in prison - at least give us a clue why?

 

[matt1e]

another 4 pages added since I started writing last post
don't think I've seen a thread expand so quick!

Matt

 

[vicvapour]

MI tell you to obey BS, why can't people understand this???? They specifically mention BS7671 must be adhered to and yet not one person here appears to be knowlegable of the publication and yet spend nearly 3 hours arguing with me on the very same subject!

No Vic your are wrong again!!
what they tell you to do is obey british standards unless they tell you to do otherwise

why cant you understand that BS standards are not legally binding therefore manufacturers don'thave to adhere to them, they are good practice guides thats all
building regulations are though so we all have to obey them

here's an example from a worcester manual
I have highlighted and commented on parts

1.1 Gas Safety (Installation & Use) Regulations 1998: It is the law
that all gas appliances are installed by a competent person in
accordance with the above regulations. Failure to install appliances
correctly could lead to prosecution. It is in your interest, and that
of safety, to ensure compliance with the law. ...............(regulations)
1.2 The manufacturers notes must not be taken, in any way, as
overriding statutory obligations.

BS 7671 is not (no BS standard is)

1.3 The compliance with a British Standard or European Norm
does not, of itself, confer immunity from legal obligations.
1.4 The installation of the appliance must be in accordance with
the relevant requirements of the Gas Safety Regulations, current
IEE Regulations, Building Regulations, Building Standards
(Scotland) and local water bye-laws.

1.5 The installation should follow the recommendations of the
following British Standards unless otherwise indicated:

then later on

11.5. The connection to the mains must be either: A 3A fused
three-pin plug and unswitched socket outlet, both complying with
BS1363 or a [/b]double pole isolator[/b] with a contact separation of
3mm in all poles and supplying the appliance and controls only.

I will ask again
what makes you think that a double pole switched socket outlet does not comply?

here is a link to the above manual

Fixed equipment (equipment that is permantly fixed) must be connected to a FCU BS7671, this superceeds MI.

 

[vicvapour]

MI tell you to obey BS, why can't people understand this???? They specifically mention BS7671 must be adhered to and yet not one person here appears to be knowlegable of the publication and yet spend nearly 3 hours arguing with me on the very same subject!

No Vic your are wrong again!!
what they tell you to do is obey british standards unless they tell you to do otherwise

why cant you understand that BS standards are not legally binding therefore manufacturers don'thave to adhere to them, they are good practice guides thats all
building regulations are though so we all have to obey them

here's an example from a worcester manual
I have highlighted and commented on parts

1.1 Gas Safety (Installation & Use) Regulations 1998: It is the law
that all gas appliances are installed by a competent person in
accordance with the above regulations. Failure to install appliances
correctly could lead to prosecution. It is in your interest, and that
of safety, to ensure compliance with the law. ...............(regulations)
1.2 The manufacturers notes must not be taken, in any way, as
overriding statutory obligations.

BS 7671 is not (no BS standard is)

1.3 The compliance with a British Standard or European Norm
does not, of itself, confer immunity from legal obligations.
1.4 The installation of the appliance must be in accordance with
the relevant requirements of the Gas Safety Regulations, current
IEE Regulations, Building Regulations, Building Standards
(Scotland) and local water bye-laws.

1.5 The installation should follow the recommendations of the
following British Standards unless otherwise indicated:

then later on

11.5. The connection to the mains must be either: A 3A fused
three-pin plug and unswitched socket outlet, both complying with
BS1363 or a [/b]double pole isolator[/b] with a contact separation of
3mm in all poles and supplying the appliance and controls only.

I will ask again
what makes you think that a double pole switched socket outlet does not comply?

here is a link to the above manual

Fixed equipment (equipment that is permantly fixed) must be connected to a FCU BS7671, this superceeds MI.

My friend you are very much mistaken, BS can and are used in a court of law, as this what sparks and gas fitters and all other trades work to, this is how you get prosecuted is you fgail to comply with a particular reg (as has happneded in courts many many times) this is how they put a case together, im not making this up you know, just read up my friend, please read up and stop arguing

 

[Kev F]

shame mi overules any regs then vic

 

[vicvapour]

I dont recall saying I didnt know what a ramp test was - mearly that there is no real reason to do them. What does it tell you ( that u actually need to know) that the other tests dont support?
So do I assume you dont know why a 3 pin plug on a boiler is so dangerous?

Why are u calling me a little boy? We may not share the same view but no need to get into name calling mode? If u can explain the plug issue it may give some creditability to all the other somewhat outspoken posts u have written? You say it contraviens the holy grail & that we should all be thrown in prison - at least give us a clue why?

deay deary me

 

[vicvapour]

shame mi overules any regs then vic

You can on believing that mate!

 

[mrgas]

Vic, are you on drugs?

 

[vicvapour]

another 4 pages added since I started writing last post
don't think I've seen a thread expand so quick!

Matt

RGI's installer worried sick that their elecrtrical work could invalidate their customers house insurance!!!

 

[vicvapour]

Vic, are you on drugs?

I wish i was my friend after the night i had on here mate!!

 

[vicvapour]

Okay can we call and end to this thread now?

Lets agree to disagree ey chaps?










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[gaswizzard]

Vic you are an arsehole.

Guys on here would leave you standing with regard to system controls.

 

[vicvapour]

Vic you are an a******e.

Gas, you're a W****r!!

 

[middlesbrough]

The MI are based on specialist testing of the appliance the regs arent thats why MI over rule the regs always have

 

[gaswizzard]

Fook me Vic I was only coeecting spelling mistakes , jeez you must be hanging on to every word of this thread , so quick out the box.