Indentured White Servants Were Treated Worse than Black Slaves in the West Indies

[King Billy]

Webb isn't exactly a trustworthy source. Anyone who subscribes to 'race science' should be the subject of a history book, not the author

Some of his infamous quotes:
“White people, by and large, know that black people tend not to be as articulate and bright as they are themselves, and simply adjust their conversation and behaviour towards them accordingly.”
“African-Americans and Caribbeans belong to a different species from those of white, European ancestry”
“All white people know very well that black people tend to be less intelligent than they are themselves”.

 

[Odds]

It's their descendants who continue to suffer from the discrimination invented to justify the slave trade.
It's the ex-slave owners who continue to benefit from the wealth accrued by those slave owners.


The trans-Sahara slave trade was separate to the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Your argument is fallacious.
It's like arguing that American Indians sacrificed children, so why shouldn't the British.

Let's throw the Irish into the fray - A good horse from Byzantium could be worth up to twenty cumal (female) slaves.
Perhaps @Vinty would like to pop in to apologise for his ancestors heinous trade?

She was a Ugandan judge who also worked for the UN.


And your blatant racism is of benefit to society?

They like to think of it as Nationalism, these days.

 

[IT Minion]

The main takeaway of this thread seems to be that the colonial elements of the British Empire in the Carribbean were utter *******s in all respects and that even if we aren't obligated to be ashamed of them we absolutely can't be proud of them or their contribution.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

Some of his infamous quotes:
“White people, by and large, know that black people tend not to be as articulate and bright as they are themselves, and simply adjust their conversation and behaviour towards them accordingly.”
“African-Americans and Caribbeans belong to a different species from those of white, European ancestry”
“All white people know very well that black people tend to be less intelligent than they are themselves”.

Does the fact that you haven't provided a contrary opinion, supported by evidence, mean you actually agree with what Webb has said?

We know, for example, based on various studies, that the average IQ of Somalians is found to be between 64 and 84. This is neither good nor bad, but it is considerably below the average IQ in other parts of the world. It is even lower than the average IQ on this forum.

Are you saying Webb is wrong or are you just saying that you find his approach impolite?

It would help if you tried to stretch yourself to making logical arguments rather than just insinuating with sentences and quotes. Tell us what you think and why, and then we might understand what it is you're trying to say.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

The main takeaway of this thread seems to be that the colonial elements of the British Empire in the Carribbean were utter *******s in all respects and that even if we aren't obligated to be ashamed of them we absolutely can't be proud of them or their contribution.

Maybe, but another angle is that, in net terms, the world developed more as a whole thanks to the exploitation of the natural resources and the resultant, broader economic and technological development.

It has all contributed to the world we all now live in and benefit from. This obvious consideration seems to have escaped your consideration. Also, the slaves taken to the Americas may well have been better off than if they'd stayed in Africa or Arabia. Certainly their decendents have ended up better off, in basic economic, health and other terms.

The efforts and suffering of those who existed before us, in all their many forms, from primitive peoples, to renaissance geniuses, to those hanged for taking a loaf, to African and other slaves, industrial wage slaves, indentured labourers, aristocrats, and so on... were not for nothing. Despite your very modern and over privileged, phony outrage.

 

[IT Minion]

Maybe, but another angle is that, in net terms, the world developed more as a whole thanks to the exploitation of the natural resources and the resultant, broader economic and technological development.

That's a bold theory, that by taking slaves rather than employing people the world was better off.

 

[noseall]

It has all contributed to the world we all now live in and benefit from. This obvious consideration seems to have escaped your consideration.

Ahh, the old unintended consequences of immense suffering argument, in a feeble attempt to justify atrocities - 'it's ok, they are better off now than if they were in Africa', blarney. Apart from the dead ones of course.

I suppose using your logic we should be grateful there were two world wars and 60 million dead, eh.

Miserable and disturbed.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

That's a bold theory, that by taking slaves rather than employing people the world was better off.

They were employed. They were productive. Production is what creates wealth. I haven't expressed any view as to the relative merits of how people might be employed. Just offering an alternative perspective to your over privileged, whiny virtue signalling.

 

[noseall]

Just offering an alternative

Slavery?

FFS.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

Ahh, the old unintended consequences of immense suffering argument, in a feeble attempt to justify atrocities - 'it's ok, they are better off now than if they were in Africa', blarney. Apart from the dead ones of course.

I suppose using your logic we should be grateful there were two world wars and 60 million dead, eh.

Miserable and disturbed.

The quality of debate on this forum is absolutely shocking. Probably the worst I've ever seen. Look no further than this ^^ tradesman attempting to read and write, and think about bigger issues. Incapable of understanding simple thoughts and words.

Practically every thread being spammed by loony left, chubby old men and the inane drivel of King Billy, who I now thankfully have on ignore. It is like a lunatic asylum. The existence of this place is really an affront to all those who struggled through harder times before us, not to mention a waste of electricity.

I genuinely feel sorry for the numerous sane and good natured contributors.

 

[MNW67]

Practically every thread being spammed by loony left, chubby old men

Don't forget the benefit claimants.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

I mean, we are talking about Labour voters. That 20% of the population who thought this government was the answer...

 

[IT Minion]

They were employed. They were productive. Production is what creates wealth. I haven't expressed any view as to the relative merits of how people might be employed. Just offering an alternative perspective to your over privileged, whiny virtue signalling.

Slaves were 'employed'?

I don't know what you're trying to signal but it stinks.