Is the government stupid or are they being ingenious

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Is that an answer? Or just the best response you could think of? Or did you read Dp's mind?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

It's a Jan 1st article and they're still making it up saying 'and potentially more transmissible variant of the coronavirus'. So it's also a potentially equally transmissible or less transmissible variant than the old one with it's 99.6% survivability rate? They don't know yet and they're automatically going with the worst case scenario. But that's what the government have done all along, only accept projections from 'experts' who are permanently 'glass half empty' types. Maximum scare tactics still continuing.

 

[noseall]

I now of 27 countries in Europe who are way behind us.

Probably overtook us as well.

 

[SirGalahad]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

The issue is that people were consented for 2 doses of the pfizer vaccine when they received their first dose. To change the regimen and try to mix and match the vaccines has not been licensed so then the patient is taking the risk in using an unlicensed vaccine.

Has the MHRA relicensed the pfizer vaccine for 3 months dose or using it with another vaccine?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Maybe the issue is also about the price of the vaccines.

 

[SirGalahad]

Maybe the issue is also about the price of the vaccines.

The most expensive vaccine is Moderna at $18 (that's what the EU is paying -the USA is paying a smidgen more I think $20)

Needing two doses that would be $40 per person for lets say 60m people that would be $2.4bn £1.75bn for the vaccine plus costs to vaccinate would double that to about £3.5-4bn.

We spaffed about £3bn plus on undisclosed PPE contracts without thinking.

 

[IT Minion]

Maybe the issue is also about the price of the vaccines.

Nope, the cost is trivial compared to the cost of testing or hospitalisation. The AZ Vaccine is less than a single prescription and even the much more expensive Pfizer Vaccine is cheap for what you get.

Edit: SirG got there first.

 

[sxturbo]

The issue is that people were consented for 2 doses of the pfizer vaccine when they received their first dose. To change the regimen and try to mix and match the vaccines has not been licensed so then the patient is taking the risk in using an unlicensed vaccine.

Has the MHRA relicensed the pfizer vaccine for 3 months dose or using it with another vaccine?

Pfizer have said they don't agree with the new plans and they have no data to advise if it will work.

That being said, the Russian sputnik works with 2x completely different vaccines.

Basically we are all to be guinee pigs (sorry for spelling)

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

 

[SirGalahad]

Pfizer have said they don't agree with the new plans and they have no data to advise if it will work.

That being said, the Russian sputnik works with 2x completely different vaccines.

Basically we are all to be guinee pigs (sorry for spelling)

The Gemalya vaccine is similar to the AZ vaccine as it is also an adenovirus, the Gemalya vaccine uses 2 different virus vectors but it is not 2 different vaccines - think of the virus vectors as the transport mechanism. The reason is that some people may have immunity to the underlying viral vector so attack it before it can even spread and create the spike protein. It's why it has a higher efficacy than the AZ vaccine in the populations it has been tried in.

MHRA from looking at their website have not authorised this dosage regimen.

The Government is not leading on this - it's pathetic.

Why should we be guinuea pigs?

Get this wrong and it will be a goldmine for anti-vaxxers.

 

[fillyboy]

The Gemalya vaccine is similar to the AZ vaccine as it is also an adenovirus, the Gemalya vaccine uses 2 different virus vectors but it is not 2 different vaccines - think of the virus vectors as the transport mechanism. The reason is that some people may have immunity to the underlying viral vector so attack it before it can even spread and create the spike protein. It's why it has a higher efficacy than the AZ vaccine in the populations it has been tried in.

MHRA from looking at their website have not authorised this dosage regimen.

The Government is not leading on this - it's pathetic.

Why should we be guinuea pigs?

As nobody can spell 'guinea pigs' shall we just refer to them by their Latin name, 'Cavia porcellus'.

With this dosage thing, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, unlike some I won't pretend to know, but doesn't it boil down to a binary choice of wether it's better to vaccinate 25 million at 95% efficacy or 50 million people at 70% efficacy?

 

[SirGalahad]

As nobody can spell 'guinea pigs' shall we just refer to them by their Latin name, 'Cavia porcellus'.

With this dosage thing, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, unlike some I won't pretend to know, but doesn't it boil down to a binary choice of wether it's better to vaccinate 25 million at 95% efficacy or 50 million people at 70% efficacy?

70% is just plucked out of thin air.

The vaccines have not been tested for single doses and not been licensed for that. The pfizer vaccine has a 52% efficacy after 21 days and we do not know whether that increases or decreases over time.

 

[SirGalahad]

For example.

So 50% efficacy of the pfizer for 50m people will mean 25m will be effectively vaccinated.

95% efficacy for 25m people gets to the same numbers.

By giving one dose - do you give people false belief?

Screw this up and anti-vaxxers will supercharged like Mottie switching between Pron and Fish channels on Bacardi and Coke!

 

[fillyboy]

So 50% efficacy of the pfizer for 50m people will mean 25m will be effectively vaccinated.

95% efficacy for 25m people gets to the same numbers.

By giving one dose - do you give people false belief?

Ah. but, if it were 70%, it's a winner, isn't it?

 

[Notch7]

according to Govt press releases

Not trustworthy.