Jab Or No Jab?

[gas112]

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Tory MPs think that a 1% pay rise (less than inflation) is sufficient for nurses and other public servants.

NHS staff including nurses, paramedics, consultants and dentists in England will receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April 2021 after the government accepted the recommendations of the independent NHS Pay Review Body (NHSPRB) and the Review Body on Doctors’ and Dentists’ Remuneration (DDRB).

For the average nurse, this will mean an additional £1,000 a year, while many porters and cleaners will receive around £540.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

In the sense that it shovels money into the pockets of the rich, and has no concern for the poor or the workers.

That's the loony left's definition of right-wing, and it isn't correct.

That the Tories have no concern for the poor or the workers is really not that obvious to you?

How's about the 7th richest country in the world needing charitable food banks so that the really poor can feed themselves? Scandalous!

How's about the 7th richest country in the world cutting aid to developing nations? Disgraceful! (or is it that "charity begins at home" if you are a Tory?)

How's about the paltry amount this country is putting into catch up schooling for kids in the aftermath of the pandemic, relative to all our neighbours? That will affect the poorest kids the worst. Shameful!

...and that's just the tip of the iceberg

BTW I'd have been equally critical of any other party had they behaved this way in office

 

[JohnD]

after the government...

...reluctantly backtracked and ran away from the univeral scorn and contempt they had earned from the citizens of the nation.

 

[JohnD]

...3% pay rise...

And Boris and his gang thought that 1% was enough.

 

[gas112]

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Tory MPs think that a 1% pay rise (less than inflation) is sufficient for nurses and other public servants.

NHS staff including nurses, paramedics, consultants and dentists in England will receive a 3% pay rise backdated to April 2021 after the government accepted the recommendations of the independent NHS Pay Review Body (NHSPRB) and the Review Body on Doctors’ and Dentists’ Remuneration (DDRB).

For the average nurse, this will mean an additional £1,000 a year, while many porters and cleaners will receive around £540.

...reluctantly backtracked and ran away from the univeral scorn and contempt they had earned from the citizens of the nation.

just checking So they never received 1%

 

[JohnD]

As you say, the Tories voted that they could only have 1%. On a previous ocasion they voted for no increase at all (Cheers from the braying ninnies on the conservative benches when they blocked requests for a pay rise to be comsidered.).

Boris said that was all they could have.

Luckily, not everybody in the country is a Tory.

just listen to the braying ninnies.

Tories cheering when they voted to block a pay rise for Nurses In 2017.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

what’s your definition of right wing

Right wing, or conservative, means working for a living; living within your means and not borrowing; dispensing charity to those in need, and crucially, a right-wing government is a small government, not interfering in people's lives. The current British government does not fulfil any of these criteria.

….goose stepping

Goose-stepping has nothing to do with it, that image has been created by the workshy loony left. The Nazis were socialists - the clue is in the name.

That the Tories have no concern for the poor

Serious question: Could you tell me how many billions of pounds this government has given out in state benefits in the past week?

 

[noseall]

not interfering in people's lives

I bet you hate it when they provide things like a fire service, NHS, police? Must be terrible for you relying on the government.

Serious question: Could you tell me how many billions of pounds this government has given out in state benefits in the past week?

Including pensions or not?

 

[IT Minion]

Goose-stepping has nothing to do with it, that image has been created by the workshy loony left. The Nazis were socialists - the clue is in the name.

For someone who's lived through so much history you're remarkably ignorant of it. The Rise and Fall of the third Reich is a brilliantly written summary.

 

[Notch7]

: Could you tell me how many billions of pounds this government has given out in state benefits in the past week

which of these people would you take away benefits from:

Women suffering mental health issues from domestic violence
People that can’t work because they have to care for a disabled relative
Women with young children, single following a relationship breakdown
Somebody with a progressive disease
An addict
A veteran soldier with PTSD

 

[Notch7]

means working for a living; living within your means and not borrowing; dispensing charity to those in need

that describes a left wing government.

crucially, a right-wing government is a small government, not interfering in people's lives

So what rules would you like removed?

planning restrictions maybe….perhaps your neighbour would like to build a glue factory in his garden.

perhaps you like the government to stop all benefits….do you think crime might go up

 

[transam]

For someone who's lived through so much history you're remarkably ignorant of it. The Rise and Fall of the third Reich is a brilliantly written summary.

was he or you around when the 3rd reich fell

I do remember the 3 day week

and the time hospital catering staff went on strike relatives of patients were forced to take food into hospital to feed there loved ones

I recall power cuts when the power workers went on strike

the transport union came out on strike for a 60% pay rise ???

mortuary workers on strike bodies piling up

dust men on strike rubbish piling up in the street

British Leyland

miners strike under Joe wat his name to bring down an elected government

I recall jim Callaghan who was sh** on by the trade unions

and than they all whinged when thatcher came to power

 

[transam]

I recall in Europe when Spain was run by a facist dictated

Portugal by a fascist dictator

Greece run by a military junta

Poland by some general
Romania by some dictator fruit cake

communist dictator ships in Czechoslovakia
Hungary
Bulgaria
The Balkan’s ( Yugo watsit )
Albania under hodger

all in the 70s and 80s

 

[Deleted member 174758]

The Nazis were socialists - the clue is in the name.

Oh dear! A very short potted history (with lots of detail missed, but it doesn't matter because I know few will bother to read it); the far-right German Workers Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or DAP) renamed itself as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) in February 1920. Hitler had originally wanted to rename the party Social Revolutionary Party (Sozialrevolutionäre Partei) in order to distance the party from association with socialism, but was persuaded to use the "NS" part of the party name in order to align fledgling NSDAP with the Austrian political party the German National Socialist Workers' Party (Deutsche Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei or DNSAP) which espoused attacks on Capitalism, Democracy, alien peoples, and Jews. The DNSAP was commited to anti-Slavism, anti-clericalism, anti-capitalism and anti-semitism, all of which principles were adopted by the Nazis early on. Those "principles" are in no way socialist - the name was what the Yanks call a "shill" (con) to bring people in

That the Tories have no concern for the poor

Serious question: Could you tell me how many billions of pounds this government has given out in state benefits in the past week?

It doesn't matter how much they claim to have put in, the plain fact is that this country of ours, the 7th richest in the world, has in recent years seen child poverty rapidly increase, not decrease. So I'll counter your comment with some earlier comments I made which seems almost incontravertable, but which you have not rebutted, namely

How's about the 7th richest country in the world needing charitable food banks so that the really poor can feed themselves? Scandalous!

How's about the 7th richest country in the world cutting aid to developing nations? Disgraceful! (or is it that "charity begins at home" if you are a Tory?)

How's about the paltry amount this country is putting into catch up schooling for kids in the aftermath of the pandemic, relative to all our neighbours? That will affect the poorest kids the worst. Shameful!

You didn't respond to those home truths last time I wrote them, I doubt you'll respond this time

 

[Deleted member 174758]

miners strike under Joe wat his name to bring down an elected government

I think you may be thinking about Joe Gormley who was Arthur Scargill's predecessor. TBH in the 60s and 70s mining was a very dirty, dangerous job which wasn't that well paid, relative to the risks - Gormley tried to correct this by balloted strike action in 1972, the first time the miners had been out officially since the General Strike of 1926. It should be remembered that at the time of this 7 week strike the miners had massive support from other union members in the UK. The Wilberforce Inquiry, which was set-up by the government at the time reported that they knew of "...no other job in which there is such a combination of danger, health hazard, discomfort in working conditions, social inconvenience and community isolation."

The government which was brought down was in fact Ted Heath's administration of 1970 to 1974 and it wasn't just the miners who were his undoing - it was also his attempt to bring in The Industrial Relations Act, widely detested by the trades unions, coupled with the 3 day week (the result of the 1974 miners strike) and his attempts at doing a deal with the IRA (which cost him the votes of the Ulster Unionists).

You've got to remember that inflation in the early 1970s was truly horrendous (double digit) and as it increased, miners' wages fell in real terms, so by late 1973 average miner's wages were 2.3% lower than recommended by the Wilberforce Inquiry (see above) and falling steadily. The union didn't however strike immediately (the members balloted almost 2:1 against striking in October 1973) but in early 1974 they implimented an overtime ban which more or less halved production, and that underlined the lack of manpower in the industry - or put simply, many who could do another job never wanted to go down the pit, regardless of money.

In February 1974, with the NCB (and government) refusing to budge, the miners went on strike, and the 3 Day Week happened. Heath called an election using the slogan, "Who governs Britain?". But he couldn't form a majority government, so that snake Harold Wilson formed the next (Labour) government

So you see, Joe Gormley and the NUM didn't bring down the Heath administration alone - that is a lie which has been told and retold by the ignorant (of the facts) right wing press and the Tory Party. The pity was that we really needed to have stronger workers' rights (which Labour did partially address in the 1975 Employment Act) coupled with stronger and compulsory (on both sides) industrial arbitritation (which they didn't)

This is a complex and oft misunderstood period of British politics. I lived through it, I was an active union member, and it still confuses the hell out of me at times!