London cyclists dropping like flies

[jockscott]

Has anyone given any reason NOT to go when it's clear, other than "ZE RULE BOOK SAYS NO!".

Geez, your one messed up fellah


Read the rules for cyclists (in the highway code) which I'm sure you must have read.
https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

Rule No 69 to save you reading all the other stuff you'll undoubtedly miss. (because you seem to know best)

 

[JBR]

Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, but are you saying that, if the junction appears to be clear, it is quite acceptable for cyclists to proceed through red traffic lights?

If so, do you think it should also be acceptable for motorists to do the same?

Yes.

Traffic lights are rarely for saftey, they are for traffic management.

Most, if not all, should be turned of outside of rush hour (as other countries do).

Watching two BMWs wanting to cross at such a junction would be very entertaining! Bring it on!

 

[AronSearle]

Doesn't really say much about my "law abiding" attitude, but speaks volumes about your complete lack of law awareness.

So what if traffic lights are turned off in "other countries" ? Go and live there if you don't like it here in the UK.

Uh uh, is that all you can think of?

Do you not feel silly stopping at a red light crossing, when there is no one crossing?

Do you not feel it is pointless to be stopped at a junction, when there is no traffic?

Do you not feel it absurd to have traffic lights at 3am in the morning?

Has anyone given any reason NOT to go when it's clear, other than "ZE RULE BOOK SAYS NO!".

Geez, your one messed up fellah


Read the rules for cyclists (in the highway code) which I'm sure you must have read.
https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

I'm not sure if you are being ironic, or just thick?

What is the point at stopping at a light, when there are not pedestrians crossing, or no traffic coming the other way, what is the purpose of that rule, in that situation?

Computer says no?

So ASearle,
is it your honest opinion that unless a cycle route is perfect for mile upon mile,
cyclists should instead select a more dangerous alternative? (i.e. The road)

If you are cycling along, and a junction is up ahead (that you have no right of way at). You have to look for traffic coming out of that junction, plus traffic BEHIND you, that may be turning left (because they have right of way, so can turn "into" you as you cross, and you are at fault).

That means you have to stop at every junction, for it to be safe, and of course if people turn without indicating.....

And seeing as 90% of the journey will be on the road, I don't know why you get so hung up about them "taking the dangerous" option, and act surprised they would go onto a lane like the above.

It's not "imperfect", it's just crap.

 

[CaptainCaveman289]

Arsearle,

You still haven't bothered to look on Google maps then...

Tell you what, I've cycled and driven that route for years, you haven't;

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[JBR]

Doesn't really say much about my "law abiding" attitude, but speaks volumes about your complete lack of law awareness.

So what if traffic lights are turned off in "other countries" ? Go and live there if you don't like it here in the UK.

Uh uh, is that all you can think of?

Do you not feel silly stopping at a red light crossing, when there is no one crossing?

Do you not feel it is pointless to be stopped at a junction, when there is no traffic?

Do you not feel it absurd to have traffic lights at 3am in the morning?

I think you're right Aaron.

You should make your very sensible opinion more widely known by making it a practice not to stop at any red traffic lights when there is no other traffic around.

In fact, if you could do so when a police car is nearby, you'd achieve more publicity. OK, so they'd try to prosecute you for breaking the law, but who cares? You should go to court and deny having done anything wrong. In that way you'd achieve even more publicity, and before you know it they will have changed the law so that no-one need ever stop at a red traffic light ever again.

Go on. Do it. You know it makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Hey Arsole. I think you have a good point. I think you should get on your bike and ride it constantly on seriously busy roads avoiding the safety of cycle lanes whilst going through as many red lights as you can. Can I also suggest you sneak up the inside of arctics as they turn left? Wear your lycra pants, you'll be more of a lad then.

 

[CaptainCaveman289]

Unfortunately Arsearle doesn't help dismiss the the stereotype of the "lycra clad cycle nazi."

The bulk of cyclists are actually very reasonable.

As usual it's a small minority that tatter the image,
Much like motorcyclists*.
Or van drivers**.
Or hot-hatch drivers***.


*yeah ok, I probably do my bit to give bikers an undeserved bad name,
**at least my van isn't white,
***you get the point

 

[JBR]

I have a question for our cyclist brethren.

I wouldn't dream of riding a bike on the roads (and certainly not on the pavement), but I have an exercise bike at home.

Should I wear a lycra outfit so I look the part?

 

[CaptainCaveman289]

I have a question for our cyclist brethren.

I wouldn't dream of riding a bike on the roads (and certainly not on the pavement), but I have an exercise bike at home.

Should I wear a lycra outfit so I look the part?

Don't forget the streamlined helmet

And it's not that you wouldn't dream of riding a pushie on the road, it's cause you daren't, you whopping pansy

 

[jockscott]

Hey Arsole. I think you have a good point. I think you should get on your bike and ride it constantly on seriously busy roads avoiding the safety of cycle lanes whilst going through as many red lights as you can. Can I also suggest you sneak up the inside of arctics as they turn left? Wear your lycra pants, you'll be more of a lad then.

You forgot to tell him to overtake cars and lorries , signalling to turn right.

 

[jockscott]

If you are cycling along, and a junction is up ahead (that you have no right of way at). You have to look for traffic coming out of that junction, plus traffic BEHIND you, that may be turning left (because they have right of way, so can turn "into" you as you cross, and you are at fault).

Give us an example of such a junction where you have no right of way and have to stop, yet a car turning left at this junction has right of way and might turn into you? Is this abroad? I have to ask because I can't picture such a junction in this country (we drive on the left remember)

(you can submit a drawing or photograph to enhance your point)

 

[JBR]

I have a question for our cyclist brethren.

I wouldn't dream of riding a bike on the roads (and certainly not on the pavement), but I have an exercise bike at home.

Should I wear a lycra outfit so I look the part?

Don't forget the streamlined helmet

And it's not that you wouldn't dream of riding a pushie on the road, it's cause you daren't, you whopping pansy

You're quite correct; I wouldn't dare. Not only would I find it dangerous, I'd find it highly embarrassing.

 

[AronSearle]

If you are cycling along, and a junction is up ahead (that you have no right of way at). You have to look for traffic coming out of that junction, plus traffic BEHIND you, that may be turning left (because they have right of way, so can turn "into" you as you cross, and you are at fault).

Give us an example of such a junction where you have no right of way and have to stop, yet a car turning left at this junction has right of way and might turn into you? Is this abroad? I have to ask because I can't picture such a junction in this country (we drive on the left remember)

(you can submit a drawing or photograph to enhance your point)

What, are you serious?

We drive on the left, so If a car is coming up to a junction, and wants to turn left....

Are these pictures simple enough for your siman brain?

The cycle lane is part of the footpath (as large numbers are), so going foward, a car coming up behind you may turn left, the blue car in the second picture, if it had turned left, would have had right of way, as the cycle path is not part of the road.

Can I also suggest you sneak up the inside of arctics as they turn left? Wear your lycra pants, you'll be more of a lad then.

So basically, no one can counter my arguments except with silly sarcasm.

Looks like I win then

Arsearle,

You still haven't bothered to look on Google maps then...

{snip}

Road is Tamworth Road, B6540. The section I described is Sawley Marina towards the A50.

Uh uh, no cycle path visible on google street view opposit sawley Marina, only a footpath (is this what you are referring to?), with intersecting driveways and roads, with no visibility to traffic coming out of those roads or driveways, cars may also turn into those junctions from the main road, if the cylce way is part of the path, they have right of way.

Agree to disagree all you like, streetview says otherwise.

 

[CaptainCaveman289]

Arsearle,
Now you're just ignoring what I've already said:

Google streetview was before they put the signs in, yes the signs are there.
I don't know why you say "no visability", the visability is excellent.

Contrary to.your beleif, drivers don't have a right of way to run over more vulnerable road users, they can only turn into the junction if safe to do so, i.e. Clear.
Otherwise they must wait on the road.
Last time I checked, drivers slow and indicate before turning too, waiting 10s is still preferential to a tight road.

Your last leg is moot, and claiming victory over streetview which has already been acknowledged (twice) as out of date is a poor attempt at manipulating to suit your argument.

Funnily enough, now that the weather has turned and the summer cycling brigade have taken their toys in, no-one is cycling on the road there anymore...

 

[AronSearle]

Google streetview was before they put the signs in, yes the signs are there.

So on streetview, it's a footpath, as I said.

I don't know why you say "no visability", the visability is excellent.

So why does streetview show 90 degree junctions (to roads or driveways) with foliage blocking the view at numourus points along the road opposite the location you gave, got X-ray eyes have you?

Contrary to.your beleif, drivers don't have a right of way to run over more vulnerable road users

The cycle path is not on the road.....