Muslims Like Us

[blightymam]

I'd consider almost anything to be superior to you.

Almost?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

It's lucky we got some good comedy in before the PC brigade banned jokes. Hang on to your old VHS tapes of Ab.Fab and Fawlty Towers -they'll be worth a fortune soon!
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1511..._has_gone_too_politically_correct_for_Ab_Fab/

 

[Gerrydelasel]

I have repeatedly asked for "something you want to do, that you think you can't because of what you call Political Correctness"

Have drugs that are effective when targeted at different sexes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...m-fears-putting-womens-health-risk-scientist/

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Have drugs that are effective when targeted at different sexes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...m-fears-putting-womens-health-risk-scientist/

Forgive me if I am a bit slow on the uptake here, I like to think that is not normally the case.
Just how does political correctness prevent you from having drugs that are targeted at different sexes, for whatever reason.
Your logic is extremely obscure so please exlain slowly and carefully for me.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Forgive me if I am a bit slow on the uptake here, I like to think that is not normally the case.
Just how does political correctness prevent you from having drugs that are targeted at different sexes, for whatever reason.
Your logic is extremely obscure so please exlain slowly and carefully for me.

Scientists scared to conduct legitimate studies that may be wrongly accused of sexism.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Scientists scared to conduct legitimate studies that may be wrongly accused of sexism.

According to one reporter Scientists concentrate on male reactions to drugs, which this reporter claims "it has been reported" as sexist.
You claim you are prevented from having drugs that are effective when targeted at females.
If you want to use birth control pills, HRT, etc, for yourself, I am sure no-one would be in the least bothered.

Perhaps the HRT treatment would be particularly effective in your condition.

 

[transam]

There was proggramme on Radio 4 late last night

Apparently Iceland and the pakistan ( the 2 countries that were named) are a genetic scientists paradise

for research into genetic diseases caused by in breeding.

one set of figures/stastics suggest that in the UK the pakistani commnuity account for 3% of all births but 30% of babies born with some type of genetic issue/disease ?

There is an old saying "do not shoot the messenger because u do not like the message" summit like that any way

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

There was proggramme on Radio 4 late last night

Apparently Iceland and the pakistan ( the 2 countries that were named) are a genetic scientists paradise

for research into genetic diseases caused by in breeding.

one set of figures/stastics suggest that in the UK the pakistani commnuity account for 3% of all births but 30% of babies born with some type of genetic issue/disease ?

There is an old saying "do not shoot the messenger because u do not like the message" summit like that any way

As usual arse end has taken a little bit of truth and woven into it his own version of a bare-faced lie!
His compulsive lying syndrome is really getting the better of him!

There was a programme on R4 last night, and it was partly about studies into various populations and the effect on genes, and what effect that has.
Here is a link to the broadcast for those that want to listen to it for themselves:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08lfc7m
The bit about studies into population groups starts at about 13:40 and only runs for about 7 minutes, until about 20:40.
It is true, Iceland and Pakistan were mentioned, but there have been other studies in other population groups.
Pakistan was mentioned for a very interesting reason, the removal of about 1300 genes has had no effect whatsoever. They are called 'knockout genes' and you need to listen carefully to fully understand the implications. E.g. normally knockout genes will give rise to a health condition or disease, but on this occasion, there has been no detrimental effect to the 1300 odd knockout genes in Pakistan! It is suggested that about 7% out of 20,000 of our genes are redundant. That is about 1400 redundant genes.
This is where arse end adds his own bit of fantasy: rather than genetic diseases caused by closely related parents, Pakistan is a perfect example of no detrimental effect whatsoever!

Now here is where arse end adds another of his own bit of fantasy and prejudice.
A study into Pakistanis in East London was also mentioned, BUT no figures were mentioned in relation to this study whatsoever! No mention was made about babies or any genetic issue! It is purely and simply a bare-faced lie and fabrication by arse end! The Pakistani/East London study is mentioned at about 19:51 into the programme.
Anyone who wants to convince themselves of arse end's compulsive lying to accommodate his prejudice should listen.

When the messenger fabricates the message, and adds his own lies to accommodate his own personal message, the messenger deserves whatever punishment is deemed appropriate!
He is not a messenger! He is a compulsive liar and cannot be trusted to deliver any message truthfully.
He is a worthless piece of crap!

 

[Brigade77]

I actually know quite a lot about inbreeding, it's causes & effects.

I hasten to add . . . 'cos my ex FiL was a consultant psychiatrist who specialised in the subject & we had very many long chats, primarily due to the village I whisked his daughter off too.

Inbreeding is/was a serious & very real problem & I can well understand how Iceland & Pakistan are a hot bed for this type of activity.

I'm not sure if Iceland has a history of arranged marriages but Pakistan certainly does. The arranged marriage developed primarily to help combat inbreeding.

But, does anyone know why?

 

[transam]

I actually know quite a lot about inbreeding, it's causes & effects.

I hasten to add . . . 'cos my ex FiL was a consultant psychiatrist who specialised in the subject & we had very many long chats, primarily due to the village I whisked his daughter off too.

Inbreeding is/was a serious & very real problem & I can well understand how Iceland & Pakistan are a hot bed for this type of activity.

I'm not sure if Iceland has a history of arranged marriages but Pakistan certainly does. The arranged marriage developed primarily to help combat inbreeding.

But, does anyone know why?

so that u could not marry your cousin (s) ??????

iceland probably due to a small population ?

 

[Doggit]

The arranged marriage developed primarily to help combat inbreeding.

Now I was under the impression that arranged marriages were actually part of the cause of the problem. The arranged marrage system differs from culture to culture, but is primarily designed to give a match that is agreeable in the eyes of the parents, and therefore the community. In Pakistan, sometimes the match will be from within the immediate family (as in 1st cousins) or the wider family but in both cases to preserve the wealth of the family itself, but sometimes it'll be within the village/community to bring wealth and status into the family. But in Greek Cypriot community, the parents will present a suitable match, which unlike other communities, you're allowed to refuse, so they look for another match till you find one you like.

the 3%/30% scenario was also reported in the Telegraph.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Another shocking bit of fabrication by arse end!

The programme that arse end referred to was Woman's Hour. No wonder he did not tell us what programme it was!
There was a ten minute slot about a dilemma in Germany about them considering raising the age of consent to 18, and thus how to handle those marriages that were considered legal in other countries.
Now this is where arse end embroiders the truth:
1. The origin of migrants was not mentioned!
2. One test case was discussed going through the various legal systems of Germany and EU, not 3 cases, as reported by arse end.

This is where arse end really fabricates the issue and tells us bare faced lies again:
One case of an under 16 bride was married to her 21 year old cousin! Only 1 case of cousins being married was mentioned!

For those that want to validate my comments:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08lfc79 The programme easily allows the relative section to be highlighted and played.

The programme mentions 1475 married minors (at 32:42) later the figures are rounded to 1500 cases of under 18 year old marriages, including 300 cases of under 14 year old marriages,(at 34:00) in Germany currently.
The programme states that the majority are happy and some have small children, (at 34:21) but no figure is given for those with children.
While I understand the concern, we ought to put it in context, in the UK:

• The estimated number of conceptions to women aged under 18 fell to 20,351 in 2015, compared with 22,653 in 2014, a decrease of 10%.
• The estimated number of conceptions to women aged under 16 fell to 3,466 in 2015, compared with 4,160 in 2014, a decrease of 17%

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...lityrates/bulletins/conceptionstatistics/2015

So we have about 1500 married minors in Germany, and as ELFImpudence mentions, there is a difference between the ceremony and conjugal rights.
But in UK we have about 3500 pregnancies in under 16 year old girls every year! And more than 20,000 pregnancies to under 18 year old girls every year!
I would suggest that we do not hold the moral high ground! Before we start pointing the finger at others' problems, I would suggest our problem in the UK is far worse!

Yet another instance of arse end telling bare-faced lies to suit his own political agenda!

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

the 3%/30% scenario was also reported in the Telegraph.

The Telegraph also reported at other times that there are about 14,000 babies born in UK with birth defects. The article, when I find it, later, mentions 1 in 50, and there are about 700,000 babies each year. (ONS data)
The Telegraph also gives a figure of about 700 babies born each year with birth defects to Pakistani parents. Again I will look up the article later.

Now 700 of 14,000 is 5%! Not 30%!
In addition the Pakistanis are about 1.8% of the UK population. So the situation takes on a completely different appearance. Still statistically unbalanced, I agree, but nowhere as bad as arse end made out. And not far off a statistical balance as 3% of babies are born to Pakistani parents.

I think the 3%/30% was probably the figures used by Baroness Flather, a former Tory, now a cross-bencher, a politician with a political cause, perhaps?

 

[transam]

tis causing major genetic issues in the pakistani community .

Inmans in mosques have been preaching against the practice.

wonder if him again want to be ,married his cousin ???

 

[Doggit]

I think the 3%/30% was probably the figures used by Baroness Flather, a former Tory, now a cross-bencher, a politician with a political cause, perhaps

This just proves that politicians take facts, and start a crusade without checking their figures, but I'd much rather take arse ends attempts at a discussion than being preached at by someone determined to prove him wrong. We all start off from a point of view, that may, or may not, be accurate. When we have the ability to discus things politely, and so correct other misconceptions, then we all reach a higher level of enlightnement. When you have to insult others, even if your facts are correct, then you achieve nothing whatsoever, because you taint your (albeit correct) facts, with venom.