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Indeed, and was quite perpared to do so, unfortuately matey seemed reluctant to share the A5 with me under any circumstances 
i think it has come to the time now that you really have to justify the transport you drive
if you want a 4x4 and you live in a city then you should not be allowed to have one unless you can show a real need for that form of transport
same goes for very large and fast cars all should be acountable for
ACCOUNTABILITY sounds like it might catch on
oh and ps white van man vs 4x4 no contest
if you want a 4x4 and you live in a city then you should not be allowed to have one unless you can show a real need for that form of transport
same goes for very large and fast cars all should be acountable for
ACCOUNTABILITY sounds like it might catch on
oh and ps white van man vs 4x4 no contest
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Im with Kendor on this ...lol
an I dont mind wether you drive a 4x4 or ride a pushbike ...its all down to how roadworty some people are ...or not
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manners maketh the man ,
an I dont mind wether you drive a 4x4 or ride a pushbike ...its all down to how roadworty some people are ...or not
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manners maketh the man ,
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Slogger said:oh and ps white van man vs 4x4 no contest
In a ploughed field indeed, wanna a tow, sucks in breath, it's one o' them transit's aint it? gonna cost guv!
This has really got you going hasn't it?
Why do you hate someones choice of vehicle?
If you dont like a large four wheel drive vehicle is it because it is large? theres an awful lot of large vehicles on the road and yet you single out four wheel drive ones, so it must be the fact that they are four wheel drive.
So why should you hate a four wheel drive vehicle? just because you dont 'see' a need for them you cant ban them, your 4x2 can exceed the maximum speed limit ,which is unneccessary, so therefore your 4x2 should be banned.
Everyone on here who hates '4x4' cars should analyse why, do you really want large cars banned? what about vans, lorries and buses.
do you want four wheel drive banned? what about fiat panda 4x4's.
do you want high polluting vehicles banned? all diesels produce high levels of pollution, and most 4x4's match the emmissions of large cars.
do you want 'unsafe to drive' vehicles banned? No vehicle is unsafe if it is driven within its capabilities.
etc etc
There are all sorts of vehicles for all sorts of people, the only real danger on our roads are the loose nuts behind the wheel!
I propose that people who suffer road rage should attend anger management courses and a ten yearly driving test, yes take your driving licence away if you cant pass a test every ten years, I could. could you?
And as for my car being a fashion item, lol, ten years driving the same car hardly constitutes 'fashion' does it?
I waffle too much, but I hope you all can see that its the drivers that are dangerous, not the vehicles, for every pro theres a con, and vice versa.
Why do you hate someones choice of vehicle?
If you dont like a large four wheel drive vehicle is it because it is large? theres an awful lot of large vehicles on the road and yet you single out four wheel drive ones, so it must be the fact that they are four wheel drive.
So why should you hate a four wheel drive vehicle? just because you dont 'see' a need for them you cant ban them, your 4x2 can exceed the maximum speed limit ,which is unneccessary, so therefore your 4x2 should be banned.
Everyone on here who hates '4x4' cars should analyse why, do you really want large cars banned? what about vans, lorries and buses.
do you want four wheel drive banned? what about fiat panda 4x4's.
do you want high polluting vehicles banned? all diesels produce high levels of pollution, and most 4x4's match the emmissions of large cars.
do you want 'unsafe to drive' vehicles banned? No vehicle is unsafe if it is driven within its capabilities.
etc etc
There are all sorts of vehicles for all sorts of people, the only real danger on our roads are the loose nuts behind the wheel!
I propose that people who suffer road rage should attend anger management courses and a ten yearly driving test, yes take your driving licence away if you cant pass a test every ten years, I could. could you?
And as for my car being a fashion item, lol, ten years driving the same car hardly constitutes 'fashion' does it?
I waffle too much, but I hope you all can see that its the drivers that are dangerous, not the vehicles, for every pro theres a con, and vice versa.
I myself can't come to terms with people having Range Rovers et al, when the hardest bit of driving they have to do is negociating the speed bumps at Sainsbury's . I have nothing against people who live in the more mountainous regions of this country having 4*4s. It's surely not good for the envoirment driving the brat's to school in these gas guzzlers. I live very close to were Geoff Boycott used to live and you can't move for the bloody things. With regards to Dellsmp saying that 4*4s match the fuel comsumption of larger cars, you must be joking. When I worked for a major brake lining manufacturer when hand a Range Rover and when it carried out a Fade test it used to do somewhere between5 & 10 mpg, I used to drive a Volvo Fl10 and that used to do 10 mpg that is with a 10 Litre engine pulling 21 tonnes, against a 4.0 litre engine dragging round a fully laden Rang Rover. No contest.
. I have nothing against people who live in the more mountainous regions of this country having 4*4s. It's surely not good for the envoirment driving the brat's to school in these gas guzzlers. I live very close to were Geoff Boycott used to live and you can't move for the bloody things. With regards to Dellsmp saying that 4*4s match the fuel comsumption of larger cars, you must be joking. When I worked for a major brake lining manufacturer when hand a Range Rover and when it carried out a Fade test it used to do somewhere between5 & 10 mpg, I used to drive a Volvo Fl10 and that used to do 10 mpg that is with a 10 Litre engine pulling 21 tonnes, against a 4.0 litre engine dragging round a fully laden Rang Rover. No contest.its not about the car, its the **** sitting in the driving seat.
and yes, alot of 4*4 drivers are ****e.
ive encountered about 4 today, all have been mums on their school runs
ill give you an example
normal street, cars parked all along one side so now its single file for abt 200meters
its a hill and im half way up.
at the top is a T
yet mummy in her 4*4 comes speeding round that corner at about 30 and tries to play chicken with me.
for starters, somone comming UP a hill has right of way
secondly, somone already 3/4 of the way up a hill has right of way, what do they want? me and cars following to back up 150 meters onto a blind junction?
that, is the point. dont have a moter ya cant drive. simple
as for the bints that drive their 4*4 because they feel safer and for their 1 kid in the back - arrogant is what that is
so once everyone has a 4*4- now its a level playing field, whats been gained?
instead of 2 escorts colliding and everyone wearing seatbelts, little billy gets a day off school and mummy gets whiplash
in teh other car mummy gets nocked uncontious and little boby gets a nose bleed, now were talking tanks crashing and now, because there so safe they dont wear seatbelts, both kids are 20ft up the road after traveling through the window at 50mph and the mummys will never walk again
i think, 4*4s should be banned in citys and towns unless you live outside and have reason to have one.
but, like i say, not all 4*4 drivers....... same as not every taxi on the road has an arrogant driver who owns the road either, just most.
today the worst bit of driving i saw was when i passed - barely a cement mixer on a bend, he came about 2ft onto my side of the road and i had to almost ride the kerb to save an accident
and yes, alot of 4*4 drivers are ****e.
ive encountered about 4 today, all have been mums on their school runs
ill give you an example
normal street, cars parked all along one side so now its single file for abt 200meters
its a hill and im half way up.
at the top is a T
yet mummy in her 4*4 comes speeding round that corner at about 30 and tries to play chicken with me.
for starters, somone comming UP a hill has right of way
secondly, somone already 3/4 of the way up a hill has right of way, what do they want? me and cars following to back up 150 meters onto a blind junction?
that, is the point. dont have a moter ya cant drive. simple
as for the bints that drive their 4*4 because they feel safer and for their 1 kid in the back - arrogant is what that is
so once everyone has a 4*4- now its a level playing field, whats been gained?
instead of 2 escorts colliding and everyone wearing seatbelts, little billy gets a day off school and mummy gets whiplash
in teh other car mummy gets nocked uncontious and little boby gets a nose bleed, now were talking tanks crashing and now, because there so safe they dont wear seatbelts, both kids are 20ft up the road after traveling through the window at 50mph and the mummys will never walk again
i think, 4*4s should be banned in citys and towns unless you live outside and have reason to have one.
but, like i say, not all 4*4 drivers....... same as not every taxi on the road has an arrogant driver who owns the road either, just most.
today the worst bit of driving i saw was when i passed - barely a cement mixer on a bend, he came about 2ft onto my side of the road and i had to almost ride the kerb to save an accident
John - dont talk rubbish, If you only got 5mpg then you shouldnt be allowed to drive anything. any petrol RangeRover will average over 15mpg and can expect 20+ when driven properly, my own 3.5 LandRover has consistently returned in the high teens to low twenties for ten years now, and add to that most of it was done on lpg.
As for banning 4x4's if you dont need one, whats the criteria for owning any car, be it 4x4 or 4x2 or 3x2?
Are we going to have to be assessed on our needs and then told what kind of car we're allowed?
Think carefully about what you are proposing here.
I think you might end up with trabants.
Maybe a little acceptance is needed, perhaps I can justify a need for my LandRover can you justify the need to own a car that can exceed speed limits?
Like I said, Danger on the road is entirely down to the driver, their knowledge of the vehicle thay are operating and their driving ability.
A ten year driving re-test would do more for raod safety than banning '4x4's'.
As for banning 4x4's if you dont need one, whats the criteria for owning any car, be it 4x4 or 4x2 or 3x2?
Are we going to have to be assessed on our needs and then told what kind of car we're allowed?
Think carefully about what you are proposing here.
I think you might end up with trabants.
Maybe a little acceptance is needed, perhaps I can justify a need for my LandRover can you justify the need to own a car that can exceed speed limits?
Like I said, Danger on the road is entirely down to the driver, their knowledge of the vehicle thay are operating and their driving ability.
A ten year driving re-test would do more for raod safety than banning '4x4's'.
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Well this is a laugh, I have 2 cars. The first is a Landcruiser Amazon Diesel 4.2L eco-destroyer. The second is a 1.2 Renault Clio (soon to be replaced) The 'cruiser just had it's first MOT, which it passed easily. The clio just had it's 3 rd MOT which it failed due to exceptionally high emissions!
As has been amply demonstrated, folk who slag off 4x4 generally are talking straight from their behind 5-10 MPH, come on! Mine does about 22 - 25 MPG has lower emission than a sports car and is no bigger than one (height excepted).
Even more worrying, is that every single one of you so far has failed to address the real point of the post in that why is it acceptable that someone should be deliberately targetted for adverse treatment simply because of the car they drive. Believe me any do gooder who tries to slap any crappy middle class hand wringing leaflets on my car is likely to end up with a slap in face.
As has been amply demonstrated, folk who slag off 4x4 generally are talking straight from their behind 5-10 MPH, come on! Mine does about 22 - 25 MPG has lower emission than a sports car and is no bigger than one (height excepted).
Even more worrying, is that every single one of you so far has failed to address the real point of the post in that why is it acceptable that someone should be deliberately targetted for adverse treatment simply because of the car they drive. Believe me any do gooder who tries to slap any crappy middle class hand wringing leaflets on my car is likely to end up with a slap in face.
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JohnD said:
No, he was a young chav tw@t
Just for the debate I have a 4x4 [Hyundai Terracan]. Does approx 25 mpg. The emmissions argument is very emotive/serious. Rather than [or as well as] tax 4x4's off the road, why didn't big man tax people who simply have to fly to some pointless piece of volcanic rock to park their unimaginative posteriors on a beach for a week or two.This would stop wasting so much aviation fuel and there would be no need to build more unwanted runways at unwanted airports!!
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