Poll: Was Rishi right to cut Foreign aid

[SirGalahad]

Well we know you don't a furk about anybody else.

Big question about a complex subject, anyone answering a straight yes or no has not looked at the implications

The hypocrisy.

The same RWR crowing at this announcement that we should spend the money at home - charity begins at home, were the ones in the front of the line arguing against giving extra money for poor school kids.

This lot has no shame or morals, they are just programmed to hate.

 

[Trazor]

Does that make sense?

I don't know.

 

[fillyboy]

I don't know.

I see what you did there.

 

[Munroast]

lets not forget we are the country that has produced a usable vaccine and are offering it to the rest of the world at cost, we will more than likely donate it FOC to any third world country. We also don't appear to be chasing up all these countries that have seriously ripped us off over covid PPE, we will still offer these countries the vaccine at cost.
Yes may may have made a small cut to our overseas budget but we still remain the 2nd most generous country per GDP in the G7

Great Britain still remains the kindest most generous altruistic countries ever - plenty to be proud of.

 

[SirGalahad]

lets not forget we are the country that has produced a usable vaccine and are offering it to the rest of the world at cost, we will more than likely donate it FOC to any third world country. We also don't appear to be chasing up all these countries that have seriously ripped us off over covid PPE, we will still offer these countries the vaccine at cost.
Yes may may have made a small cut to our overseas budget but we still remain the 2nd most generous country per GDP in the G7

Great Britain still remains the kindest most generous altruistic countries ever - plenty to be proud of.

What are you smoking?

The PPE contracts were given to private companies to deliver. They were purchasing from other private companies.

What are you smoking? Do you live in an alternate reality?

No vaccine as yet has been cleared for use and the AZ vaccine trials have not released their data.

 

[Munroast]

In every survey, there are a small number of 'don't knows', usually a very small number, it's always made me chuckle insofar as why on earth would anyone respond to a survey with 'I don't know'? but they do. I picture them coming home from work, putting on their slippers, lighting their pipe and looking for online surveys to which they can respond 'I don't know'.
The fact a large number of people have voted one way, a minority have voted the other, does nothing to prove you're right by 'not knowing'. It proves no point of yours other than 'you don't know'.

So, in short, the fact that 'we know', really doesn't prove your point in that you're right because you 'don't know'.

Does that make sense?

I will go the other way with this, it often puzzles me how on complex matters how so many people are so certain, take brexit, probably 90+% of the population think they know 100% what we should do, and yet the issue is so complex that probably only a handful of people will have the knowledge and intellect to truly know, and no body knows who they are.

 

[SirGalahad]

I will go the other way with this, it often puzzles me how on complex matters how so many people are so certain, take brexit, probably 90+% of the population think they know 100% what we should do, and yet the issue is so complex that probably only a handful of people will have the knowledge and intellect to truly know, and no body knows who they are.

A government asked the public about a huge economic issue. Might as well ask you what type of brain surgery we should do on the patient.

Britons understand little about economics, report finds
Majority fail to grasp concept of GDP or deficit and lack trust in data, according to ONS think-tank

https://www.ft.com/content/93821297-96ea-4286-8f01-ccb6fa09161f

 

[Munroast]

What are you smoking?

The PPE contracts were given to private companies to deliver. They were purchasing from other private companies.

What are you smoking? Do you live in an alternate reality?

No vaccine as yet has been cleared for use and the AZ vaccine trials have not released their data.

the govs of these foreign countries clearly turned a blind eye to their own nationals profiteering out of the pandemic.

we have made it very clear that the vaccine developed at oxford will be sold at cost, no such offer has been made from other vaccines being produced elsewhere in the world.

 

[JohnD]

The hypocrisy.

The same RWR crowing at this announcement that we should spend the money at home - charity begins at home, were the ones in the front of the line arguing against giving extra money for poor school kids.

Be fair, mottie has been proudly boasting of the taxpayer handouts he's received.

 

[SirGalahad]

the govs of these foreign countries clearly turned a blind eye to their own nationals profiteering out of the pandemic.

we have made it very clear that the vaccine developed at oxford will be sold at cost, no such offer has been made from other vaccines being produced elsewhere in the world.

Did these same Governments give contracts for masks to people who had no experience?

AZ made that decision and they can start charging for it after they declare when the pandemic is over.

You should take your meds.

 

[fillyboy]

The hypocrisy.

The same RWR crowing at this announcement that we should spend the money at home - charity begins at home, were the ones in the front of the line arguing against giving extra money for poor school kids.

This lot has no shame or morals, they are just programmed to hate.

Reading back I'm not seeing 'crowing' or 'hate', just logic and reason. Your surprise intervention about free school dinners only serves to reinforce the argument for sending less money overseas surely.

First post I read filled with hate is yours. How many of the 6 or 7 threads you started yesterday were locked?, why?

Look, the foreign aid budget is huge, per capita one of the highest in the world, it's increased exponentially in recent years. To reduce it by a third is inconsequential to the poor or hungry people it's intended for if it's done correctly.

There are many vanity projects or countries that simply don't need the aid, when it comes to starving kids and overseas disasters, we as a country have always been to the fore and always will be.

In these circumstances, I'd agree that 'charity begins at home' is not the most appropriate statement, I'm not sure who said that, but as you well know, because of covid, (don't bring brexit into it, it's irrelevant'), we are in for a rough ride next year with mass unemployment and collapsed businesses, it's going to be rough, probably rougher than anything I've known in my lifetime, I'll survive, but my heart goes out to the 'rental generation' and those who lose their jobs, crime will go through the roof and we could see civil unrest approaching French levels.

In recent days I've listened to radio 'phone ins' regarding the public sector pay freeze, I was so heartened to hear at least half a dozen public sector workers phone in and say 'I'm really lucky, I've done some work from home, I've had more or less 6 months off, and I've always felt secure that my job is safe, but I know people who have lost their jobs or their jobs are at risk and they're suffering from stress and anxiety, I'm happy to not have a pay rise for 12 months'
I heard this and thought respect.

Today, I heard a council worker (customer service, telephone, working from home mainly, fielding or diverting calls) describe herself as a 'front line hero' and deserves a 10% rise.

Really?

Galahad, tough decisions have to be made, you know that, I know that, no decision will be perfect, perhaps now is the time to approach some of these 'debates' in a less 'partisan' way, I know you wont because you're a, can't quite decide, either a communist of a champagne socialist, probably the latter, but you really need to look at both sides of the argument.

 

[fillyboy]

I will go the other way with this, it often puzzles me how on complex matters how so many people are so certain, take brexit, probably 90+% of the population think they know 100% what we should do, and yet the issue is so complex that probably only a handful of people will have the knowledge and intellect to truly know, and no body knows who they are.

I rest my case.

 

[SirGalahad]

Reading back I'm not seeing 'crowing' or 'hate', just logic and reason. Your surprise intervention about free school dinners only serves to reinforce the argument for sending less money overseas surely.

First post I read filled with hate is yours. How many of the 6 or 7 threads you started yesterday were locked?, why?

Look, the foreign aid budget is huge, per capita one of the highest in the world, it's increased exponentially in recent years. To reduce it by a third is inconsequential to the poor or hungry people it's intended for if it's done correctly.

There are many vanity projects or countries that simply don't need the aid, when it comes to starving kids and overseas disasters, we as a country have always been to the fore and always will be.

In these circumstances, I'd agree that 'charity begins at home' is not the most appropriate statement, I'm not sure who said that, but as you well know, because of covid, (don't bring brexit into it, it's irrelevant'), we are in for a rough ride next year with mass unemployment and collapsed businesses, it's going to be rough, probably rougher than anything I've known in my lifetime, I'll survive, but my heart goes out to the 'rental generation' and those who lose their jobs, crime will go through the roof and we could see civil unrest approaching French levels.

In recent days I've listened to radio 'phone ins' regarding the public sector pay freeze, I was so heartened to hear at least half a dozen public sector workers phone in and say 'I'm really lucky, I've done some work from home, I've had more or less 6 months off, and I've always felt secure that my job is safe, but I know people who have lost their jobs or their jobs are at risk and they're suffering from stress and anxiety, I'm happy to not have a pay rise for 12 months'
I heard this and thought respect.

Today, I heard a council worker (customer service, telephone, working from home mainly, fielding or diverting calls) describe herself as a 'front line hero' and deserves a 10% rise.

Really?

Galahad, tough decisions have to be made, you know that, I know that, no decision will be perfect, perhaps now is the time to approach some of these 'debates' in a less 'partisan' way, I know you wont because you're a, can't quite decide, either a communist of a champagne socialist, probably the latter, but you really need to look at both sides of the argument.

I just pointed out the rank hypocrisy. Crystal Ball was correct - it's a complex argument. I didn't vote as I am not for or against the cut. It was a nice bone for the RWR to chew on whilst Rishi got away with the stark facts. We will not be on our growth path as projected in march in 2025- let that sink in. Rishi didn't mention Brexit which is only a few weeks away. Great news on that front today - ESMA confirmed that from Jan. 1 EU investors would have to use swaps platform inside the bloc or based in a non-EU country such as the United States that has already been granted “equivalence” or permission.

Tough decisions? ****ing it away on contracts for your mates or the massive expansion in testing when the Tracing system is not working. Operation Moonshot is going ahead but in a different guise - even if it doesnt cost £100bn - thats an astonishing waste of money when the vaccine is not too far off.

So ****ed away money on PPE, poorly functioning Tracing, spunking billions on Mass testing. Public sector workers pitted aginst Private sector workers.

The whole argument about foreign aid was a nice distraction for Rishi and it worked.

 

[SirGalahad]

Galahad, tough decisions have to be made, you know that, I know that, no decision will be perfect, perhaps now is the time to approach some of these 'debates' in a less 'partisan' way, I know you wont because you're a, can't quite decide, either a communist of a champagne socialist, probably the latter, but you really need to look at both sides of the argument.

Debates are fine if everyone understood economics, finance, GDP, Deficits etc. I don't get into debates on what pipe fitting to use but all and sundry have an opinion on complex economics issues. There is no both sides of an argument when one person brings nothing other than their opinion. Should there be both sides of a debate between a flat earther and a astrophysicist?

We don't need both sides of an argument - we just need one set of facts. RWR have a habit of denying facts.

Communist. lol. That made me chuckle.

 

[Dangee]

so the common man shouldn’t be allowed to give an opinion/vote on things.
Sounds like Russia, China or North Korea.