Pre-conditions?

[ban-all-sheds]

On a general note, and naming no names, it is interesting to note that there is a faction here who tend to espouse playing hard-ball uncompromising aggressive tactics when negotiating with the EU but decry the same approach from the official leader of the opposition when negotiating with the government.

 

[sodthisforfun]

At one time I voted labour.

Getting on a bit now by any chance?! Isn't it youngsters who traditionally vote labour, switching to the cons as they get old?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Isn't it youngsters who traditionally vote labour, switching to the cons as they get old?

Only if they lose sight of what matters.

 

[SammyInnit]

Getting on a bit now by any chance?! Isn't it youngsters who traditionally vote labour, switching to the cons as they get old?

I'm not 30 yet.

 

[SammyInnit]

On a general note, and naming no names, it is interesting to note that there is a faction here who tend to espouse playing hard-ball uncompromising aggressive tactics when negotiating with the EU but decry the same approach from the official leader of the opposition when negotiating with the government.

You really can't see the difference?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You really can't see the difference?

Try explaining it in a way which makes it clear, coherent, logical, consistent etc.

 

[SammyInnit]

Try explaining it in a way which makes it clear, coherent, logical, consistent etc.

Two parties squabbling in the house Vs a negotiation for the benefit of the UK and you can't see the difference?

This is to say Corbyn offers a viable alternative. He doesn't. His bark is loud and scary, plenty of whataboutery, I still don't think I even know his position on the EU; he's certainly offered no clarity. If you're going to try to hold the government to account at least do it while offering a vocal alternative. All well and good pointing out the failures, no good at all if you aren't going to say how you'd do it better.

 

[ellal]

Two parties squabbling in the house Vs a negotiation for the benefit of the UK and you can't see the difference?

Taking 'no-deal' off the table is 'for the benefit of the UK'...

But it's not just 'two parties squabbling', it's factions within parties also squabbling...

That is however parliamentary democracy - a system of 'government' that quitters wanted to 'get back'!

But if people disagree, then surely they should ask to be consulted about it?

 

[SammyInnit]

Taking 'no-deal' off the table is 'for the benefit of the UK'...

But it's not just 'two parties squabbling', it's factions within parties also squabbling...

That is however parliamentary democracy - a system of 'government' that quitters wanted to 'get back'!

But if people disagree, then surely they should ask to be consulted about it?

Strawman argument and very little relevance. Nice try tho.

 

[ellal]

Strawman argument and very little relevance. Nice try tho.

Oh look, another one with 'notchy's disease'...

Isn't it amazing how many 'different' usernames are increasingly using similar wording in lieu of an argument when they are picked up on their errors

 

[sodthisforfun]

But it's not just 'two parties squabbling', it's factions within parties also squabbling...

They shouldn't be squabbling, they should be pulling together. Aren't these the people we 'elected' to work for the people? Sometimes I think that is forgotten in our gov. They have mucked up brexit from the start and now we need the brightest of minds to pull together no matter what party they belong to, or what their personal views are on brexit are.

 

[noseall]

They shouldn't be squabbling, they should be pulling together. Aren't these the people we 'elected' to work for the people? Sometimes I think that is forgotten in our gov. They have mucked up brexit from the start and now we need the brightest of minds to pull together no matter what party they belong to, or what their personal views are on brexit are.

Are you suddenly expecting opposing party politicians to change, after centuries of sometime bitter opposition? They are ALL selfish, nest feathering, self seeking bastads.

 

[Brigadier]

Corbyn knows you can't do a serious negotiation without "no deal" being up your sleeve.
He's grandstanding.
If / when it all goes tits up, he can brag from the sidelines that "he offered, but they didn't take his offer" when, in reality, he hadn't any more clue than the rest of them, and was more than happy to stay out of it.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Are you suddenly expecting opposing party politicians to change, after centuries of sometime bitter opposition? They are ALL selfish, nest feathering, self seeking bastads.

Off with their heads!

 

[SirGalahad]

Two parties squabbling in the house Vs a negotiation for the benefit of the UK and you can't see the difference?

This is to say Corbyn offers a viable alternative. He doesn't. His bark is loud and scary, plenty of whataboutery, I still don't think I even know his position on the EU; he's certainly offered no clarity. If you're going to try to hold the government to account at least do it while offering a vocal alternative. All well and good pointing out the failures, no good at all if you aren't going to say how you'd do it better.

TM should have asked for an all party consensus post referendum to get a collective agreement but being the crap PM she is she went along unilaterally with her red lines and we are here now.

There is no viable alternative- Brexit makes no sense unless shooting yourself in the foot is the new past time.

Some have very short memories. Two years ago.