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durhamplumber said:
The law.......out 1 hour for exercise.food..See to vulnerable people.......Which catagory does being sat in the park come under?
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You're as bad as the fekkin police! Where (in the legislation) does it limit the time to one hour (or indeed one outing)?
That was in BJ's speech.
Is exercising the mind not as important as physical exercise?

If someone had walking difficulties, are you saying it is illegal to sit down?
Being outside is important so you catch some light, through which the body obtains Vit D. The line "to obtain basic necessities..." covers that.

At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself WHY the legislation and BJ's advice are different.
 
In other words, if the Government wanted to restrict the movements of its citizens even more than the current legislation allows, why didn't they pass even tighter legislation?
 
I agree with you as well.

The problem though is if everyone did it all day, it wouldn't be staying in or social distancing.


I could stretch the point and say she might have been there all day and be leaving viruses on the bench.

Others could say they fundamentally disagree with the law/rules and the whole thing is a scam and we should all carry on as usual.
 
The way its written, does not suggest the government wanted to empower the police to be the authority on what justification you could have. There is no obligation to account and no presumption of guilt for failing to account. Its clear to me that the intent is persistent offenders or those refusing to be told might be prosecuted. Not someone who put a bottle of gin in their shopping or went for a 4 hour bike ride.
 
So why are the police demanding people to account for their movements and fining people for what is in their shopping bag?

Just look on YT: it's all there to see.
 
EFLImpudence said:
Are you implying that they are not capable of doing their job properly because they cannot understand the legislation.
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More inclined to blame you for taking any notice of a few mass media etc posts without knowing the circumstances. Also the need for the laws in the first place - idiots.
 
durhamplumber said:
I prefer "if it looks and quacks like a duck....It is a fekin duck"
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What if he looks like a chicken and quacks like a duck do you realise who you could be messing with?

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motorbiking said:
It can only work if people see the Why.
Look at all the laws people ignore, its because they don't see the "why". traffic law, building control etc.

Police officers have the law dumbed down for them in to procedures, which get updates based on case law. plus.. while most of them are decent people, there are definitely a few judge Dredds
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People nowadays won't see the "Why" in the way past generations did. Morals and good behaviour come from your upbringing. Brought up properly, you won't need to know why certain laws exist, because you will have been taught from the same Christian-based moral foundation that our lawmakers of old were taught, and will not be going around breaking said laws.

I don't see how Policing by Consent can fully work in present day Britain. We have turned so many blind eyes to lawbreaking in the recent past, that we now have a population comprising in part many un-apprehended criminals. What sort of consent would such a society give to a police force? Take for example the sort of person, now commonly found, who drives an Audi at 60mph along a residential street, regularly, and whilst smoking cannabis, and who has never been touched by the police for it. What would he grant his consent for the Police to do?
 
I stop and sit down in the park - not near others but alone.
Why?
Because one of my big dogs insists that it owns the park and wants to sit and view it, she has done this for years.
As I have arthritis in my knees it gives me a rest so I allow it.

Yet I am still on my exercise trip.

Just like someone going to the supermarket to buy essential food also getting a bottle of wine or a kids toy etc.

But it matters not, so far I have not seen a single copper out enforcing anything, the only time I see them is when they speed past on the road with sirens blaring.
There are far too few.
 
You wouldn't guess that from how they act.

Find someone out in public with a camera and you'd think it was a gun. Suddenly you get 2, 3 4 or more police turning up.
Same with the police turning up to grill people about why they are out. You'd think if they were pushed for numbers, they would concentrate on the serious stuff.

I honestly think they deal with the easy stuff. They are even chasing people who say stuff on social media that they take a dislike to.
There was a big case where an officer got in touch with this fella (who had not broken the law) for saying something they thought he shouldn't on a tweet (or similar).
The officer told him he was ringing him up "to check your thinking." WTF???? Now they are the thought police?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/
Even a high court judge had something to say about that.
 
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