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Sorry, I think Gove is quite clear about "powers" and "guidance".
Not sure!
He mentions one outing for exercise and only shopping for the bare minimum and that police would enforce these rules.

Which is not correct!
The police cannot enforce that which is not law and the guidance is just that. Otherwise, we would have a police state where the police stop everyone and demand to know what they are doing and then finding reasons to impose fines.
 
Not sure!

The police cannot enforce that which is not law and the guidance is just that. .

The police should be able, and be trusted, to do as they see fit. There are so many things ruining our lives that the police can take no action upon, and these are the things that the police SHOULD be acting upon. Troublemakers should live in fear of the police.

For example, neighbours playing loud music, at parties in the back garden etc. I've heard numerous cases, especially in high-rise flats, of people reporting loud music. The police say it's not their job - report it to the council. The council, who only work 9-5, will have a quick look at the property in question, see that everything is on order and close the case. Loud parties continue into the night. Nothing gets done.
 
that's an interesting opinion.

Vlad agrees with you, provided they are doing what he wants.

What would you do about the 100w police-can't-touch-us mega bass sound system neighbours poising the environment with cannabis fumes?
 
What would you do about the 100w police-can't-touch-us mega bass sound system neighbours poising the environment with cannabis fumes?

Throw there sound system out the window
Tell em to. Go home

Any refusals and they would end up as geusts
Of the NHS sucking there meals through a straw
 
People who live in flats have to realise that other people also live in the same building. Consideration and tolerance needs to exist on both sides. You cannot expect to live in silence. That said, there were a lot of timber frame flats built in the 90s with no regard to sound proofing.
 
I think it’s important to understand the guidelines are not a complete list. The police have struggled with this. Early on they were relying on powers to deal with the virus rather than those to prevent it. I think slowly they are figuring it out.
 
You're very kind, mb.
Others would say that the new regulations posted on the internet make it quite clear and therefore the police simply cannot read.
Or choose to make it up as they go along.
 
If I sound harsh, it's because I feel the police are there to enforce the regulations, not their own ideas of what people should or should not be doing. If they are unsure of the regulations, they must not take action against people.
After all, people are being fined for NOT doing anything against these regulations or are being sent to court and that is plain wrong.
The cynic in me says that the police are just making up reasons people should not be out and taking every opportunity to treat this as a money-making exercise.
 
Sound's like guidance via a committee to me. A number sitting around talking for days. The usual way the police clarify laws is the courts. Laws are often simple to some extent eg do more than 33mph in a 30 limit and some one can be booked for speeding. Where did the 33mph come from? This time they have a statute that in some areas is ambiguous especially in the exercise area. The essential items is rather loose as well. Just what are they? The basic idea of that one is food and the usual day to day household needs. Exercise is intended to be rather local. In areas where people are getting a lot of none local people about they aren't very happy about it. Brighton for instance and so called beauty spots.

The link - well the Crown Prosecution Service has "clarified" some aspects for them - what is likely to be reasonable. Reasonable is still rather loose.

I've broke one of them :) twice

"It also says people are not allowed to buy paint and brushes "simply to redecorate a kitchen" but can purchase tools and supplies to repair a fence "damaged in recent bad weather".

To be honest I would rather see the actual paperwork. News wants to find something contentious.

10L of paint, later found the roller was broke so bought one. I've been completely renovating the kitchen for about 18months now. ;) I have long breaks now and again. The items were collected without breaking distancing rules. Safer than a supermarket really. That particular CPS idea might be due to the recent increases in white van man on the road. White van man shouldn't be going into peoples homes. If they have tax returns gov is keeping them going.

This one could be to keep walkers happy
On exercise, the guidance lists driving to the countryside for a walk as "reasonable" if "far more time" is spent walking than driving.
But it adds that driving for a "prolonged period with only brief exercise" is not reasonable.

I used to drive some where weekly and walk for 7 to 10 miles in a group but some do that on their own. All isolated areas via rights of way. "Thanks" to my wife we stopped doing it. I'd have a hell of a game getting back to doing this or longer again easily. Trying to keep a group of say 20 people 2m apart would be interesting now but pretty easy if just a few but farmers etc wouldn't be happy about it.
 
:( I had a problem when I went to buy paint. Car not used for some time so the alarm had flattened the battery. We've been shopping locally so not used at all.
 
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