Switch with or without neon

[JohnW2]

I assume, though, that I am allowed an opinion too...

Of course you are - but you wrote (albeit to EFLI, but 'in public') "I would say that you are assuming the absence of faults." - so I was just pointing out that I personally had posted, early on, about the possibility of faults, but had said that (at least for me) that did not represent a compelling reason to have a switch.

If you are more comfortable with having a dedicated switch, then that's obviously fine - there are almost no downsides other than the (very small) issues associated with introducing an additional 'point of potential failure'.

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

Good point, he doesn't have a little brother or sister he could wash!

Although there is always the cat.

Ah, so it is not a safety factor, as such, that you have in mind but rather mischief on purpose because he has not been taught.

 

[antighsiothail]

Good point, he doesn't have a little brother or sister he could wash!

Although there is always the cat.

Ah, so it is not a safety factor, as such, that you have in mind but rather mischief on purpose because he has not been taught.

Perhaps you could confine your comments to help on electrical issues rather than parenting!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Do you guys have any preference as to the switch having a neon on or not?

What's your preference?

You are the designer, no?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

I don't.

What I'm thinking is "who believes that a kitchen or utility room is a suitable place for children to wander about unsupervised?"

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Perhaps you could confine your comments to help on electrical issues rather than parenting!

Perhaps you could recognise that this site does not reside outside of normal space and time.

Perhaps you could recognise that you are a real person, with a real flesh and blood existence in the real world, and not a purely theoretical artefact.

Perhaps you could recognise ditto for your daughter, your grandchild(ren) and the people who contribute here.

Perhaps you could recognise that of course you will get comments which stray beyond the narrow scope which you are trying to define.

 

[GeeTee]

I don't really see the need for a switch.

I have a fridge/freezer that has no "off" setting on its very basic controls - just "less cold". Plugged into a socket low down behind it in the middle of a run of cabinets. Whilst supposedly "frost-free" it needs defrosting approx once per year - and it's a real pain in the rear to man handle the thing out of position to get to the socket to switch it off fully.

So while there is no "need" for an above counter switch per se, it sure would be more convenient. That said, it can wait until the kitchen gets a make over.

As for neons - about the only place I see a point is on the switch for the immersion heater in case I forget to turn it off. Although the fizzy kettle noise from the thing probably alerts me before I notice the neon is on.

In all - isn't this a very subjective question? Or is there some regulation now that calls for above counter isolation switches for appliances?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

In all - isn't this a very subjective question?

What's your preference?

You are the designer, no?

Or is there some regulation now that calls for above counter isolation switches for appliances?

No.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have a fridge/freezer that has no "off" setting on its very basic controls - just "less cold".

Are you sure?
If so, what would it do on 'minimum' with the door open?

So while there is no "need" for an above counter switch per se, it sure would be more convenient.

There you go.

 

[JohnW2]

I have a fridge/freezer that has no "off" setting on its very basic controls - just "less cold".

Are you sure? If so, what would it do on 'minimum' with the door open?

IF that were really the case, and assuming that the 'minimum' temperature setting was below ambient room temperature, one assumes that the compressor would run continuously, tending to keep ice in contact with the walls of the cavity largely still frozen - hence, at the least, a very slow 'defrosting' process.

Kind Regards, John

 

[bernardgreen]

If as is often recommended the fridge / freezers have a dedicated circuit ( MCB or RCBO ) then a lamp of some sort is a useful indication that the device has tripped.

The three red neons in my kitchen are a welcome sight proving that [1] there isn't a power cut and [2] the installation still works.

( At the moment it is only two as the Neff hobs are switched off waiting for a service engineer to arrive with the necessary to repair them. )

 

[JohnW2]

If as is often recommended the fridge / freezers have a dedicated circuit ( MCB or RCBO ) then a lamp of some sort is a useful indication that the device has tripped.

In theory - but, in practice, I wonder how long it would take for someone to realise that the light (assuming it was something fairly modest, like a standard accessory neon!) was no longer 'lit'? I have (audible) power failure alarms on my freezer (and some other) circuits, and (audible) over-temperature alarms in the freezers.

Kind Regards, John

 

[securespark]

You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

Yes, but I doubt my daughter would approve, being a 'modern' mum. In my day it might have involved 'impact therapy'.

Ouch!

 

[securespark]

You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

I don't.

What I'm thinking is "who believes that a kitchen or utility room is a suitable place for children to wander about unsupervised?"

You don't have children, do you?

 

[flyingsparks]

You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

I don't.

What I'm thinking is "who believes that a kitchen or utility room is a suitable place for children to wander about unsupervised?"

You don't have children, do you?

If BAS is like how he is on this forum in real life, then I doubt he has found anyone to put up with him long enough for him to get to 'having children'!