Vive La France!

[Notch7]

The anti abortion brigade love to focus on the 24 week rule…..like all false arguments, they want to focus on the minority.

Over 90% of abortions are under 12 weeks.


The anti abortion brigade on here have yet to admit making abortion illegal doesn’t lower abortion rates.

 

[Odds]

A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after conception. That’s when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen. But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed. That’s when your doctor may schedule your first abdominal or vaginal ultrasound to check for signs of a healthy, developing pregnancy.

healthline.com

Would you say a heartbeat is the first sign of life?

 

[gas112]

How much money will you give to support all these extra people, born into poverty and needing state help.

It seems Vinty give any, he doesn’t care about women and their offspring living a life below the poverty line

What you think death is better than not to have the chance to experience a life . I see people everyday who were brought up in abject poverty who have gone on to have a fantastic life . You would rather they had been killed

 

[gas112]

The anti abortion brigade love to focus on the 24 week rule…..like all false arguments, they want to focus on the minority.

Over 90% of abortions are under 12 weeks.


The anti abortion brigade on here have yet to admit making abortion illegal doesn’t lower abortion rates.

And those are being used as a form of birth control woman having half a dozen plus abortions is not unusual

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And those are being used as a form of birth control woman having half a dozen plus abortions is not unusual

Id like to see some figures to support that claim

 

[ajohn]

Nonsense. Abortion is messy business. Leave it to the medics to sort out. They know what they are doing.

Wise words.

Some posts touch on another factor after a fashion. Namely why would a gov be interested in supporting babies? Simple a stable birth rate and that is falling in many countries. France has the highest rate in Europe which might even be down to their taxation system. Where as a country such as S Korea has seen a pretty dramatic fall. We are running at a rate of ~1.5. The so called ageing population relates to this. At some point the highest incidences of birthrate people will all die but if the birth rate continues to drop the problem never completely disappears. Personally I put the decline from the peak birth rate in post ware modern times purely down to social economic factors. Attitudes to immigration also figures in this area. When the domestic population has jobs that earn enough for expectations immigration is needed to fill the jobs that people don't want. Expectations now are considerably higher than they were.

 

[gant]

Id like to see some figures to support that claim

Abortions: Five teenagers among women who had at least their 6th termination in UK last year

Data for England, Wales and Scotland also shows more than 140 women had at least their eighth termination in 2018.

news.sky.com

 

[gas112]

Id like to see some figures to support that claim

In 2021, 43% of women undergoing abortions had had one or more previous abortions. The proportion has increased steadily from 36% in 2011 (Table 3a.ix and Table 4b).
Tens of millions of pounds spent each year by nhs on repeat abortions

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Abortions: Five teenagers among women who had at least their 6th termination in UK last year

Data for England, Wales and Scotland also shows more than 140 women had at least their eighth termination in 2018.

news.sky.com

140, out of how many?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

In 2021, 43% of women undergoing abortions had had one or more previous abortions. The proportion has increased steadily from 36% in 2011 (Table 3a.ix and Table 4b).
Tens of millions of pounds spent each year by nhs on repeat abortions

One or more, doesn't support your claim.

 

[Notch7]

What you think death is better than not to have the chance to experience a life

False argument

Many women have abortions because they are in an insecure financial and relationship situation.

Many of those women then go on to have a baby later on when they are in a situation that can support a baby.


The foetus they abort hasn’t experienced life so it doesnt know.


ApYour anti abortion arguments are too simplistic, try thinking harder

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And you both conveniently ignore this bit.....

However, abortion provider Marie Stopes UK said women having multiple terminations should not be stigmatised and the reasons for them "are deeply personal and vary widely".

 

[Notch7]

And those are being used as a form of birth control woman having half a dozen plus abortions is not unusual

Load of bolox

 

[Notch7]

In 2021, 43% of women undergoing abortions had had one or more previous abortions. The proportion has increased steadily from 36% in 2011 (Table 3a.ix and Table 4b).
Tens of millions of pounds spent each year by nhs on repeat abortions

Hilarious nonsense

85% of those abortions are under 10 weeks

Abortions under 10 weeks are done by taking a pill at home.


That doesn’t cost tens of millions of pounds, it saves tens of millions of pounds

 

[gant]

140, out of how many?

You wanted to see some figures 140 were on their eighth termination and over 700 on their sixth. Wanted to see it higher?
Rather a sad endicement to me.
Must have women tearing their hair out who are barren and have to pay an arm and a leg to try and conceive.