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I said
Well they certainly saw you coming with respect to selling you on the ludicrous notion that it can be anything other than a blindingly stupid idea to install recessed torches instead of lighting which actually works.
Maybe you think it is not a blindingly stupid idea to install the wrong products for a particular function, and which you know are wrong because you are a lighting shop and therefore an expert.

But I don't.




just accept you were in the wrong and move on - good boy
 
Wrong?

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You must be joking.
 
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Yorkshiremen grow spuds and swedes.
And some of the finest rhubarb known to man.

Sadly under threat, of course, due to the classic combination of venal supermarkets with no respect for themselves, their customers, the environment or their suppliers, and pig-ignorant consumers who don't care how cr*p their food is as long as it's cheap.
 
Co-op was selling Yorkshire rhubarb this year, IIRC.
Forced, or outdoor?


The trouble is, people want it out of season
Well that's just too bad - they shouldn't be allowed to have it.


ban, which is where imports come in. Co-op sells British strawberies in season at £1.50 for 454 grams. Out of season, imported is £3 for 227 grams. :eek:
Should be ******* well illegal.
 
OK.

On genuine technical grounds, or because of a petty and juvenile personal dislike?
 
BAS,

out of curiosity, what do you think is the intended use of downlighters?

It would seem that despite your repeated suggestion that they are useless, lots of people are still installing them.

Although i know the response to this question, ill ask anyway:- :)

Who is correct - you (thats just you, singular, not including the mysterious 'we' that you like to trot out time and time again) or the many hundreds of people who have installed D/L's and are very happy with them?

Whether you like it or not, efficiency is not the primary deciding factor for everyone. Some people consider asthetics to be of equal importance
 
BAS,

out of curiosity, what do you think is the intended use of downlighters?
Do you mean intended by the designer, or intended by the people who install them?


It would seem that despite your repeated suggestion that they are useless, lots of people are still installing them.
As I have observed elsewhere, (and this applies to all manner of human endeavours), popularity is absolutely no guide to quality or suitability, due in no small part to widespread ignorance.


Who is correct - you (thats just you, singular, not including the mysterious 'we' that you like to trot out time and time again) or the many hundreds of people who have installed D/L's and are very happy with them?
I am.

I'm sure there are many hundreds of people who are very happy using neon screwdrivers too.


Whether you like it or not, efficiency is not the primary deciding factor for everyone. Some people consider asthetics to be of equal importance
I know they do, but anybody who prioritises form over function to the extent that they misuse products and end up with badly working results should not be immune from criticism just because they happen to think it looks good.



This forum, surely, is about helping people to do things better, about helping them to do as good a job as they possibly can.

Imagine if it were a forum dedicated to food, and cooking techniques, and recipes, and ingredients, and menus etc.

Would you suggest that the popularity of Homepride Cook-In sauces should be a valid reason not to tell people that they are rubbish?
 

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