Wooden Wall Light....no earth

[morqthana]

Don't be a dick

I suggested using an LED power supply and LED bulbs.

We're talking here about 2 wall lights, each taking a single SES bulb.

How many LED power supplies designed to power individual bulbs like that output 240V? Not constant-current supplies which may be meant for some enormous array of LED lights, ones meant for individual bulbs.

Yes, you can get LED bulbs like that which are 240V, but you wouldn't install a power supply to get 240V for them, would you.

So just how normal, intelligent, and showing common sense is it to think that there is no way of knowing if I was suggesting a 240V supply or not?


And why am I being a dick to point that out?

 

[pete01]

I suggested using an LED power supply and LED bulbs.

We're talking here about 2 wall lights, each taking a single SES bulb.

How many LED power supplies designed to power individual bulbs like that output 240V? Not constant-current supplies which may be meant for some enormous array of LED lights, ones meant for individual bulbs.

Yes, you can get LED bulbs like that which are 240V, but you wouldn't install a power supply to get 240V for them, would you.

So just how normal, intelligent, and showing common sense is it to think that there is no way of knowing if I was suggesting a 240V supply or not?


And why am I being a dick to point that out?

OK, I apologise

 

[SUNRAY]

I suggested using an LED power supply and LED bulbs.

We're talking here about 2 wall lights, each taking a single SES bulb.

How many LED power supplies designed to power individual bulbs like that output 240V? Not constant-current supplies which may be meant for some enormous array of LED lights, ones meant for individual bulbs.

Yes, you can get LED bulbs like that which are 240V, but you wouldn't install a power supply to get 240V for them, would you.

So just how normal, intelligent, and showing common sense is it to think that there is no way of knowing if I was suggesting a 240V supply or not?


And why am I being a dick to point that out?

IF you get the facts right and behave like

Everybody normal, intelligent, and blessed with common sense.

... normal, intelligent, and showing common sense

Perhaps everybody else would not have reason to criticise you.

 

[martygturner]

You have to wonder how all those retro standard and desk lamps are sold in the UK that predate the double square.

By the way any relevant marks do not need to be on the product itself but can be on the packaging if the original standard which meets conformity in the country of origin is on either the packaging on instructions. Also where a different countries standard has been accepted as compliant, in this case GB 7000.1-2015 or IEC 60598-1:2014 as its known, the Chinese just copied the IEC version into their own standard, then it has uk declared conformity by read over, so can be legally sold.

Tories introduced that to save on loads of silly labels that shoved up the price of imported goods... another Brexit bonus, how shall we get around the enormous cost of getting our own CA mark rather than use the CE... shall we insist on uk testing everything that turns up or just say if it conforms somewhere somehow its good to go.

As in all cases follow the manufactures instructions.

 

[morqthana]

IF you get the facts right

OK - please tell me what facts I got so wrong that you had no idea whether I was proposing a power supply outputting 240V.

 

[morqthana]

shall we insist on uk testing everything that turns up or just say if it conforms somewhere somehow its good to go.

If we do the latter aren't we surrendering sovereignty to faceless foreign bureaucrats?

 

[morqthana]

IF you get the facts right

Or alternatively let's just draw a line under this. Pete's apologised (thanks), so if I say I should perhaps have been more specific, and written

One way to side-step all the earthing issues would be to put a 12V LED power supply up there and use 12V LED bulbs.

can we just move on?

I leave it to you to decide if you want to retract anything you wrote.

 

[SUNRAY]

Or alternatively let's just draw a line under this. Pete's apologised (thanks), so if I say I should perhaps have been more specific, and written



can we just move on?

I leave it to you to decide if you want to retract anything you wrote.

I'll park this now, knowing you have made yet another mistake and you refuse to admit it or refuse to recheck your post I referenced.
Additionally you have recently apologised to me when I showed you had deliberately twisted my comments to suit your own fantasy world so you do at least recognise you can be and have been wrong.

I have nothing to retract.

 

[morqthana]

I'll park this now.

And then immediately start it up again.

I have nothing to retract.

Nor any desire to stop lying, it seems, in furtherance of what is looking more and more like a personal vendetta against me, which you drag from thread to thread.

 

[martygturner]

If we do the latter aren't we surrendering sovereignty to faceless foreign bureaucrats?

No we are just agreeing that their standards are as good as ours.... what on earth makes you think ours are any better than somebody else's.

 

[Jurassicspark]

No we are just agreeing that their standards are as good as ours....

So are you seriously suggesting we just take other countries' word for it and hope for the best?

What happens when their "just as good" standards let something dangerous slip through who answers for that here them or us?

 

[Jurassicspark]

No we are just agreeing that their standards are as good as ours.... what on earth makes you think ours are any better than somebody else's.

And for example, would you say the same about our legal system too that if a foreign court has already ruled on something we should just accept it here without question?

Or does your trust in "good enough" cease here?

 

[martygturner]

So are you seriously suggesting we just take other countries' word for it and hope for the best?

What happens when their "just as good" standards let something dangerous slip through who answers for that here them or us?

I am not suggesting it, its whats been done....

 

[Jurassicspark]

I am not suggesting it, its whats been done....

Just because it’s been done doesn’t mean it’s right or safe, right?

Following a precedent blindly ishow mistakes get repeated.

Shouldnt we demand better?

Who actually takes responsibility when "just as good" isn’t good enough?

Us or them?

 

[martygturner]

And for example, would you say the same about our legal system too that if a foreign court has already ruled on something we should just accept it here without question?

Or does your trust in "good enough" cease here?

We already do have have done for just over 170 years... what on earth do you think happens when you are extradited for a crime in a different nation ? We are dealing with products not a legal system, products can be tested, legality is a matter of opinion.



And don't twist my words I said "just as good" not "good enough". I did'nt realise you were a manky manipulator but I do now.