World's largest shroud covers Britain's shame

Who started the thread where we're supposed to all share this "shame " Oh yeah, Johhnyboy. Apparently walks down the road hanging his head in shame (probably because of the Aldi/ Lidl plastic bags he's carrying) :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Way they go on its like we are all some how personally responsible. Blimey reading some of there ball cocks they would like to have seen

Theresa May thrown to the mob & lynched.
 
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It's a shame that the stupid RIBA has come out and said that all new and refurbished homes should have sprinklers and fire escapes. Never mind that no enquiries have been completed, or that the RIBA know little about services or fire safety.
 
It's a shame that the stupid RIBA has come out and said that all new and refurbished homes should have sprinklers and fire escapes. Never mind that no enquiries have been completed, or that the RIBA know little about services or fire safety.

Im sure there will be architects at fault in the building reg application for Grenfell and others.

One imagines that the contractor will have followed a specification set by architects and plan checking by building control / independant. The faults could be wrong specification, non adherance to spec, or materials not to correct standard.

On that basis, its a bit rich they are now setting a spec despite no completed enquiry.
 
it is being said that

"Documents seen by the BBC and The Times in the summer appear to show that the fireproof zinc cladding specified in Studio E Architects’ original 2012 planning application was effectively downgraded to a cheaper aluminium panelling system to save around £300,000."
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk...or-new-and-refurbished-homes/10024505.article

"Earlier planning documents suggest the original plan was for zinc cladding with a fire-retardant core."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40453054

"Fireproof cladding planned for Grenfell Tower was downgraded to save £293,000 as housing officials demanded “good costs” to satisfy a council boss, leaked emails reveal."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keep-costs-of-cladding-down-grenfell-tower-experts-told-6qrhmwzxv
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You will recall that Kensington and Chelsea was so short of money that it could only afford a couple of million pounds to subsidise a black-tie opera festival.

First things first, eh?

"The very different complaints from the opposite ends of Kensington received very different responses from the 50-member council representing the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The Ferraris were debated in the council chamber. Fines of up to 1,000 pounds were imposed on revving engines. Underground construction projects were restricted.

The concerns in North Kensington, particularly those of Grenfell Tower residents, were mostly ignored. By last November, one resident, Edward Daffarn, was so frustrated that
he predicted “only a serious fire” resulting in a “serious loss of life” would make the council pay attention. The councilor in charge of housing, Rock Feilding-Mellen, dismissed him as a ‘‘fantasist.’’"

"The council leader, Elizabeth Campbell, admitted last month that in her 11 years as a council member she had never set foot inside a high-rise housing project."

"Yet South Kensington has hardly been neglected. A recent enhancement of Exhibition Road outside the Victoria and Albert Museum featuring an inset granite diamond pattern cost nearly £30 million, with the council picking up roughly half the cost."

"Mr. Coleridge, until recently in charge of the arts, oversaw a £5 million grant to Holland Park Opera to make opera tickets more accessible. “The seats are very good value,” he said, “only £60 to £65” ($78 to $84)."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/europe/london-inequality-grenfell-tower-fire.html

Where else did the money go?
"Nicholas Paget-Brown, Lead Councillor for Kensington & Chelsea, received £54,769, the highest special responsibility allowance of any councillor in the country, despite the council’s overall reduction of allowances expenditures."
http://www.kcwtoday.co.uk/2016/04/rbkc-council-leaders-special-allowance-the-highest-in-the-country/
 
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I don't know what action was taken in response to the January 2000 report. None, perhaps.


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmenvtra/109/10907.htm

although it's noticeable that such work was suddenly carried out in a panic shortly after the Grenfell disaster. Perhaps something had changed.

"Grenfell Tower: 82 buildings fail new fire safety test"
28 July 2017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40754125

"Gavin Barwell, the Prime Minister’s new chief of staff, failed to give the go-ahead to a safety review during his tenure as housing minister, despite it already having been delayed for years.

His predecessor as housing minister Brandon Lewis declined to bring in regulation forcing developers to fit sprinklers because he said it was not the Government's responsibility."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ty-warnings-ignored-tower-block-a7790501.html
 
afaik some of those flats were owner occupied ? which would mean afaik that they would have had to pay a % towards any maintenance works ?


There will be (imho) corporate manslaughter charges brought against some ???
 
afaik some of those flats were owner occupied ? which would mean afaik that they would have had to pay a % towards any maintenance works ?
And..............?

There will be (imho) corporate manslaughter charges brought against some ???
You have illustrated on numerous occasions that your opinion is not worth a dime.
In fact your opinion is usually pure fantasy.
 
please do not falsify quotes. you have been warned multiple times.
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it is being said that

"Documents seen by the BBC and The Times in the summer appear to show that the fireproof zinc cladding specified in Studio E Architects’ original 2012 planning application was effectively downgraded to a cheaper aluminium panelling system to save around £300,000."
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk...or-new-and-refurbished-homes/10024505.article

"Earlier planning documents suggest the original plan was for zinc cladding with a fire-retardant core."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40453054

"Fireproof cladding planned for Grenfell Tower was downgraded to save £293,000 as housing officials demanded “good costs” to satisfy a council boss, leaked emails reveal."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keep-costs-of-cladding-down-grenfell-tower-experts-told-6qrhmwzxv
methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fc919b0a4-5cff-11e7-8b02-b735a4dd8be3.png

You will recall that Kensington and Chelsea was so short of money that it could only afford a couple of million pounds to subsidise a black-tie opera festival.

First things first, eh?

"The very different complaints from the opposite ends of Kensington received very different responses from the 50-member council representing the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The Ferraris were debated in the council chamber. Fines of up to 1,000 pounds were imposed on revving engines. Underground construction projects were restricted.

The concerns in North Kensington, particularly those of Grenfell Tower residents, were mostly ignored. By last November, one resident, Edward Daffarn, was so frustrated that
he predicted “only a serious fire” resulting in a “serious loss of life” would make the council pay attention. The councilor in charge of housing, Rock Feilding-Mellen, dismissed him as a ‘‘fantasist.’’"

"The council leader, Elizabeth Campbell, admitted last month that in her 11 years as a council member she had never set foot inside a high-rise housing project."

"Yet South Kensington has hardly been neglected. A recent enhancement of Exhibition Road outside the Victoria and Albert Museum featuring an inset granite diamond pattern cost nearly £30 million, with the council picking up roughly half the cost."

"Mr. Coleridge, until recently in charge of the arts, oversaw a £5 million grant to Holland Park Opera to make opera tickets more accessible. “The seats are very good value,” he said, “only £60 to £65” ($78 to $84)."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/europe/london-inequality-grenfell-tower-fire.html

Where else did the money go?
"Nicholas Paget-Brown, Lead Councillor for Kensington & Chelsea, received £54,769, the highest special responsibility allowance of any councillor in the country, despite the council’s overall reduction of allowances expenditures."
http://www.kcwtoday.co.uk/2016/04/rbkc-council-leaders-special-allowance-the-highest-in-the-country/

Notch doesn't like to hear that.
 
Notch doesn't like to hear that.

Where does it say the council lowered the spec of the cladding that meant it was non compliant?

Are you saying the council changed the spec themselves?
 
Since you are pretending you can't read, this is what I said, that you don't like to hear:
it is being said that

"Documents seen by the BBC and The Times in the summer appear to show that the fireproof zinc cladding specified in Studio E Architects’ original 2012 planning application was effectively downgraded to a cheaper aluminium panelling system to save around £300,000."
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk...or-new-and-refurbished-homes/10024505.article

"Earlier planning documents suggest the original plan was for zinc cladding with a fire-retardant core."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40453054

"Fireproof cladding planned for Grenfell Tower was downgraded to save £293,000 as housing officials demanded “good costs” to satisfy a council boss, leaked emails reveal."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keep-costs-of-cladding-down-grenfell-tower-experts-told-6qrhmwzxv
methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fc919b0a4-5cff-11e7-8b02-b735a4dd8be3.png

You will recall that Kensington and Chelsea was so short of money that it could only afford a couple of million pounds to subsidise a black-tie opera festival.

First things first, eh?

"The very different complaints from the opposite ends of Kensington received very different responses from the 50-member council representing the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The Ferraris were debated in the council chamber. Fines of up to 1,000 pounds were imposed on revving engines. Underground construction projects were restricted.

The concerns in North Kensington, particularly those of Grenfell Tower residents, were mostly ignored. By last November, one resident, Edward Daffarn, was so frustrated that
he predicted “only a serious fire” resulting in a “serious loss of life” would make the council pay attention. The councilor in charge of housing, Rock Feilding-Mellen, dismissed him as a ‘‘fantasist.’’"

"The council leader, Elizabeth Campbell, admitted last month that in her 11 years as a council member she had never set foot inside a high-rise housing project."

"Yet South Kensington has hardly been neglected. A recent enhancement of Exhibition Road outside the Victoria and Albert Museum featuring an inset granite diamond pattern cost nearly £30 million, with the council picking up roughly half the cost."

"Mr. Coleridge, until recently in charge of the arts, oversaw a £5 million grant to Holland Park Opera to make opera tickets more accessible. “The seats are very good value,” he said, “only £60 to £65” ($78 to $84)."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/europe/london-inequality-grenfell-tower-fire.html

Where else did the money go?
"Nicholas Paget-Brown, Lead Councillor for Kensington & Chelsea, received £54,769, the highest special responsibility allowance of any councillor in the country, despite the council’s overall reduction of allowances expenditures."
http://www.kcwtoday.co.uk/2016/04/rbkc-council-leaders-special-allowance-the-highest-in-the-country/
 
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