London cyclists dropping like flies
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Nah, he lives in Salford Royal.
My wife used to run the MRI scanner there.
Stop making stuff up.
If you say so, what this has to do with safety I have no idea, just seems like pettiness to me.
The law does not allow contracts for under 16's, and various other technicalities mean it's not legally possible for children to obtain third party insurance, nor for parents to buy it form them (recently some tried doing that with car insurance, it's classed as fraud).
Officer, I'd like to report someone for cycling without insurance!
You lot are comical.
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I posted in good faith from what had been my understanding for many years and I'd never bothered to check (having been born before the internet made life easy). However it appears I was wrong - a bit of Googling revealed that there is no exemption for small wheeled cycles being allowed to cycle on pavements. Interestingly, there is no exemption for any cycle to use the pavement at all, regardless of size or age of rider.
Elementary my dear Watson.
When I go to insure my car, they decide wether to offer cover based on things like "Have you passed a driving test? If the vehicle is to be used on public roads is it safe (passed an MOT test)? Are you an pimply faced youth who drives like his pants are on fire and thus likely to plough into a busstop full of old ladies and kittens?" and "Have you a track record of breaking the law and/or crashing your vehicle into aformentioned busstops? - Because this makes us more likely to pay money out so we increase the premium we charge you."
Ergo, if you are an incompetent or dangerous driver with an unsafe vehicle, you are going to find it tough to get insurance.
Now apply the same sort of thing to cyclists.
Ah, I missed the bit in the news reports thad said all those recently deceased cyclists in London were under 15 years 364 days old
Officer, I'd like to report this child's parents for aiding and abetting the criminal offence of riding on the pavement.
Officer, I'd like to report someone for cycling without insurance!
And you sir, are hysterical.
Anti cyclists in a nutshell.
Can you provide any reasonable evidence that...
People cycle through red lights, because they don't know what they are.
That people don't crash into bus stops (why bus stops?), because no one told them that was a stupid thing to do.
No?
So it's got nothing to do with safety then, just pettiness.
Personally, I don't care whether or not cyclists take out insurance.
As long as they are instantly identifiable (easily read number plates) so I know who it is that damaged my car before they bugger off, I'm quite happy for my insurance company to take them to court to recover repair expenses...
...oh, and my whiplash injuries.
As long as they are instantly identifiable (easily read number plates) so I know who it is that damaged my car before they bugger off, I'm quite happy for my insurance company to take them to court to recover repair expenses...
...oh, and my whiplash injuries.
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ey4wUteeI8iG0AX_84DADA#q=cyclist+red+light
OR http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights.pdf - Skip to page 30 for the summary which states 16% of cyclists jumped a red light, and were more likely to do so when travelling straight across the junction.
There isn't a big enough rolleyes smiley available to provide a logical response to that.
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https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ey4wUteeI8iG0AX_84DADA#q=cyclist+red+light
OR http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights.pdf - Skip to page 30 for the summary which states 16% of cyclists jumped a red light, and were more likely to do so when travelling straight across the junction.
Eh? Ricardus - you are not making sense. Aron's point is that no amount of "cycling proficiency testing" will stop cyclists from jumping red lights, UNLESS you believe that they jump red lights because they do not know what they are (and therefore, lessons will educate them). (Apologies for the capitals, but I have absolutely no idea how to make italics or bold work, on this forum!)
I am not condoning them, but I can see practically why cyclists jump red lights (the small chance of getting caught just helps); it saves energy to keep on going, than stop, wait, get back up to speed, and repeat, until journey's end.
Well you're one ahead of me I'm struggling to make any sense of Aaron full stop
Aaron's response was to my point that motorist have to obey certain standards, and Aaron's point "Can you prove cyclists jump red lights, because they dont know what they are " implies that cyclists know the standards and choose to ignore them, which isn't really helping his case - whatever that is. I thought it might be a formatting error.
This.
The only reason drivers stop at crossing, when there are no pedestrains, is fear of getting caught.
Not because it's dangerous, not because of the rules (otherwise no-one would speed).
Only because of getting caught.
The same at junctions when there is clearly no traffic, I'm not talking about people carrering into artic lorries.
And as I said, should drivers go through traffic lights when there is no traffic, yes, because the lights shouldnt even be on in that situation.
Skipped to end after I got to page 11 lol
Some interesting viewpoints. Aaron had it nailed until he went off on a tangent about jumping red lights.
If you want to jump a red light that's your prerogative but don't try and justify it by saying things like "But it was safe to do so". Maybe it was but that really isn't the point by Law.
I'm a night trunker trucker. the M5 is deserted at night, If my wagon could do a ton I'd do it but if Mr Rozzer nicks me doing it I wouldn't then bleed that it was "safe to do it" so it was alright !
Man-Up
The dude about Avonmouth - Yeah I've been suckered on that. they didn't put the matrix sign on (northbound over the bridge) so you go up the hill and find they have closed the damn m/way and send you back to J18 (M49) only there's a shedload of lights on that do-nut.
Final comment
It's not a "car-road" or bus road or truck road it's a PUBLIC HIGHWAY. Guess what Public really does mean even in Jeremy Clarksons Dictionary ?
Ok.. Not quite final comment...
I use a pushie to get to work most nights. I'm NOT in a hurry. I wouldn't be on a pushbike if I was would I ? And I certainly DON'T rush To work anyway. Might do going Home afterwards though !
I use a pushbike because my car fuel tank is still full of fuel a week later to be used how I want to use it, otherwise that would be akin to taking a drop in pay !
Fortunately Peterborough is blessed with pretty good cycle networks.
I have also experienced London Cyclists though. Back in around 1990 I was driving an artic in London and pulled up to red lights indicating to turn left. No-One was near me on my entire run down to those lights.
When the lights changed I obviously pulled away only to hear a banging on my passenger door. Yes some muppet had cycled down the inside and realised he really was about to get squidged. I braked and he rode by giving me the eff off signs !!
Dude.. Even if you were "in the right" that wouldn't put you back together and back to life !!
Some interesting viewpoints. Aaron had it nailed until he went off on a tangent about jumping red lights.
If you want to jump a red light that's your prerogative but don't try and justify it by saying things like "But it was safe to do so". Maybe it was but that really isn't the point by Law.
I'm a night trunker trucker. the M5 is deserted at night, If my wagon could do a ton I'd do it but if Mr Rozzer nicks me doing it I wouldn't then bleed that it was "safe to do it" so it was alright !
Man-Up
The dude about Avonmouth - Yeah I've been suckered on that. they didn't put the matrix sign on (northbound over the bridge) so you go up the hill and find they have closed the damn m/way and send you back to J18 (M49) only there's a shedload of lights on that do-nut.
Final comment
It's not a "car-road" or bus road or truck road it's a PUBLIC HIGHWAY. Guess what Public really does mean even in Jeremy Clarksons Dictionary ?
Ok.. Not quite final comment...
I use a pushie to get to work most nights. I'm NOT in a hurry. I wouldn't be on a pushbike if I was would I ? And I certainly DON'T rush To work anyway. Might do going Home afterwards though !
I use a pushbike because my car fuel tank is still full of fuel a week later to be used how I want to use it, otherwise that would be akin to taking a drop in pay !
Fortunately Peterborough is blessed with pretty good cycle networks.
I have also experienced London Cyclists though. Back in around 1990 I was driving an artic in London and pulled up to red lights indicating to turn left. No-One was near me on my entire run down to those lights.
When the lights changed I obviously pulled away only to hear a banging on my passenger door. Yes some muppet had cycled down the inside and realised he really was about to get squidged. I braked and he rode by giving me the eff off signs !!
Dude.. Even if you were "in the right" that wouldn't put you back together and back to life !!
You of course have full statistics and results of studies to back up your assertations that anyone in a motor vehicle is some kind of raving barbarian whose wild antics are only held back by the fear of prosecution?
