Let's NOT give £350m extra each week to the NHS! A better idea....

[Zambo]

It's about time governments started to penalise the irresponsible, and because they don't, the responsible get shafted. The NHS is a prime example. Not only are we talking about self inflicted illnesses, but also those who abuse the system by not turning up for appointments without a reason. Fine them, and then strike them off. Charge people who can't be arsed to stop shoving pies and booze down their necks and start charging the health tourists. The organisation is in disarray and chaos. I'm not talking about nurses and doctors, but those who have been allowed to mismanage for decades without being accountable. This winter will see a collapse like we haven't seen before.

Local news, local hospital, and not for the first time. Ambulances queued up at A&E with patients waiting inside for up to seven hours, and that is before you get on a trolley.

Stay well for Christmas.

 

[HawkEye244]

No. Do you think Bevan created it so people could get so wasted they not only needed medical treatment or more often babysitting because they couldn't look after themselves and often abused the doctors and nurses to boot?

He's probably spinning in his grave.



Nothing a few digits and some KY Jelly can't fix.



Derserve: do something or have or show qualities worthy of (a reaction which rewards or punishes as appropriate).

They should not be automatically entitled to treatment because they have voluntarily poisoned themselves.

I agree to a point but we are a christian country and we like a good drink and people have always and will always drink to excess. It's only because the country is so overcrowded and the government is not spending enough on frontline services that this has become an a more obvious irritation. As I said before I'm not turning on my fellow man that might have had one too many because the system can't cope with all the extra slave labour migrants that are being exploited by big business, no.

 

[HawkEye244]

I think there's a whole generation of soft as **** mardarses who think it's the NHS and State's responsibility to put them back on their feet and wipe their arses when they fall over drunk or can't stop having babies.

Since when did the NHS get charged with the responsibilty of picking up the pieces when people don't know when to stop drinking?

Since when did the Police have to attend every minor domestic argument (I'm not talking about assault) because people don't know how to behave civilly to another human being, one who is usually their partner.

These things are simply not the responsibility of the emergency services!

If someone has done done some pills in a club and got the bad end, if someone has drunk too many and is paralytic, the person still pays taxes for emergency medical care. You are foolish in thinking THAT is the problem, when it isn't.. you are implying as though there's a new breed of stupid people... there will always be stupid people that are irresponsible. Haven't you been irresponsible or known someone that has?? Sorry but if someone is dying it is the responsibility of the emergency services, doesn't matter how they got to that state. End of story.

 

[HawkEye244]

I think there's a whole generation of soft as **** mardarses who think it's the NHS and State's responsibility to put them back on their feet and wipe their arses when they fall over drunk or can't stop having babies.

Since when did the NHS get charged with the responsibilty of picking up the pieces when people don't know when to stop drinking?

Since when did the Police have to attend every minor domestic argument (I'm not talking about assault) because people don't know how to behave civilly to another human being, one who is usually their partner.

These things are simply not the responsibility of the emergency services!

Then charge no tax.. while people pay tax for this they deserve a service THAT THEY PAY FOR. If you don't think they deserve a service then don't charge them any tax.

 

[noseall]

Then charge no tax.. while people pay tax for this they deserve a service THAT THEY PAY FOR. If you don't think they deserve a service then don't charge them any tax.

Does that mean children and career dole scroungers aren't entitled to tax funded services?

 

[HawkEye244]

It's about time governments started to penalise the irresponsible, and because they don't, the responsible get shafted. The NHS is a prime example. Not only are we talking about self inflicted illnesses, but also those who abuse the system by not turning up for appointments without a reason. Fine them, and then strike them off. Charge people who can't be arsed to stop shoving pies and booze down their necks and start charging the health tourists. The organisation is in disarray and chaos. I'm not talking about nurses and doctors, but those who have been allowed to mismanage for decades without being accountable. This winter will see a collapse like we haven't seen before.

Local news, local hospital, and not for the first time. Ambulances queued up at A&E with patients waiting inside for up to seven hours, and that is before you get on a trolley.

Stay well for Christmas.

Agreed about obese people and chain smokers and people that have no regard for their health. I don't think this is the same though as someone that is otherwise not a health burden and drinks one to many over the season period and ends up in e&a covered in booze and sick.

 

[HawkEye244]

Does that mean children and career dole scroungers aren't entitled to tax funded services?

It means they get the most provisional of services.. I'm sure there was a time where you could get thousands of pounds worth of IVF on the NHS for free in order to produce another mouth to claim all the tax credits, and plenty of other examples of abuse... My gripe is not with people who pay tax and work, who some here are saying are not worthy of a service because they might need an ambulance because they've gotten a bit p1ssed up.

 

[noseall]

It means they get the most provisional of services.. I'm sure there was a time where you could get thousands of pounds worth of IVF on the NHS for free in order to produce another mouth to claim all the tax credits, and plenty of other examples of abuse... .

Your above post makes a mockery of this.....

If you don't think they deserve a service then don't charge them any tax.

 

[HawkEye244]

Your above post makes a mockery of this.....

You think someone on benefits should be entitled to thousands of pounds worth of IVF, or gastric band surgery if they want it ?

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You've completely misunderstood my point as you do commonly. I'm saying if you pay tax you get a service, that's the sole role of government IMO. If he's denied a service as a tax payer why should he pay tax, what for?

 

[noseall]

I think any tax funded service will be open to abuse and there will always be an imbalance and huge disparities where some pay in but get little out where others will pay in zilch and milk the system.

You implied that by not charging people any tax would somehow exempt them from a tax funded service.

 

[HawkEye244]

I think any tax funded service will be open to abuse and there will always be an imbalance and hude disparities where some pay in but get little out where others will pay in zilch and milk the system.

You implied that by not charging people any tax would somehow exempt them from a tax funded service.

I agree to the first point..

To the second part, no that's not what I was implying, I was asking rhetorically if you are a tax payer you are paying for service..if that service is denied you shouldn't be paying tax. Policing, Defence, Health Care Services, Education + some recreational stuff, that's all I value from government I don't otherwise want them interfering or controlling any aspect of my life otherwise, and I'm not paying for the government to just exist. They either provide a service for what we pay them or they get nothing, that's how I rationalise it. We own them, they do as we tell them. Children/elderly/disabled/sick cannot pay tax but are entitled to a service as well of course.. I'm just trying to get at why someone who might drink irresponsibly one time, for example, is somehow or a piece of sh1t time waster and should be ignored, which is what some here are implying.

 

[noseall]

You've completely misunderstood my point as you do commonly

You could always quit writing nonsense.

 

[JohnD]

Does that mean children and career dole scroungers aren't entitled to tax funded services?

I think it means that notorious tax-dodger Lord Rothermere, billionaire boss and majority owner of the Daily Mail, shouldn't expect the taxpayer-funded fire service to turn up if one of his English mansions burns down, or the taxpayer-funded police force to turn up if he's robbed, or a taxpayer-funded ambulance to pick him up if he's injured falling off his wallet.

 

[Brigade77]

Do we also turn away sports injuries? How about mountain climbers?

Should anyone participating in so called 'dangerous' sports be made to take out compulsory health insurance?

How about the driver that causes the pile up? Should their insurance pay everyone else's medical bill?

It's a good job that some folk could never get elected to a position where they might influence the direction of the NHS.

 

[securespark]

if someone has drunk too many and is paralytic, the person still pays taxes for emergency medical care. You are foolish in thinking THAT is the problem, when it isn't.. you are implying as though there's a new breed of stupid people... there will always be stupid people that are irresponsible.

Yes, they have. But it is an epidemic now and will get worse.
One of many articles:
https://www.ft.com/content/e0d5dd04-e509-11e5-a09b-1f8b0d268c39

End of story.

Just because you say it is? Don't think so!