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No way of knowing. One is the yellow card scheme the other is taken from death certificates.
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No way of knowing. One is the yellow card scheme the other is taken from death certificates.
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Andy, I honestly don't care if you have/want a vaccine or not. It's your choice and if I were in your shoes I wouldn't waste time defending it. But this is a nonsense argument. If every single death following a vaccine was directly caused by the vaccine, that would still be a tiny fraction of deaths caused by the virus itself.
it is not unreliable, it is simply unverified reporting by health professionals and the public
and it only shows association not causation -it is an initial reporting scheme which would be used as an indicator if there was a common adverse event shortly after -which then could be used for further studies, to gain actual proof
Apart from a sore arm and a slight feverish feeling, most of the side effects complained of will be pre-existing conditions. Some people may well have developed complications and some of those may have caused death, but it's a tiny, tiny fraction compared to death by covid.
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Just like any other vaccine, but I haven't seen any complaints about the flu vaccine, for example, from the anti-vaxxers.
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Or polio, whooping cough, MMR, varicella (chicken pox), diptheria, tetanus, hepatitis (A and B), pneumococcal pneumonia, human papillomavirus (HPV), etc. I'll bet that most of the anti-vaxxers have had at least 3 or 4 of those, with the tetanus being the one that anyone in trade should have automatically. These people have the "advantage" of living in a world where many once debilitating and fatal diseases have been cured, so they probably never went to school with a kid (maybe in leg callipers) had been one of the "lucky ones" who'd survived polio, for example.
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From JP_ on the other thread, to which I'm not allowed to reply:
That last point is a specious comparison, as not everybody will catch covid, whereas pro-vaxxers want everybody to have the vaccine.
Also, covid mainly kills the very old, so if you vaccinate all the population you will be vaccinating many who don't need it. I wonder how many of those killed by the vaccine were not in the age group vulnerable to covid?
NOTE to John D: JP's British Heart Foundation link makes mention of 72 deaths due to clotting due to the vaccines. (My deleted Sky News link said 73 as did the Gov.UK link I posted earlier today).
That last point is a specious comparison, as not everybody will catch covid, whereas pro-vaxxers want everybody to have the vaccine.
Also, covid mainly kills the very old, so if you vaccinate all the population you will be vaccinating many who don't need it. I wonder how many of those killed by the vaccine were not in the age group vulnerable to covid?
NOTE to John D: JP's British Heart Foundation link makes mention of 72 deaths due to clotting due to the vaccines. (My deleted Sky News link said 73 as did the Gov.UK link I posted earlier today).
yes they will, given time
true but long covid affects the young
Compared with the previous month, self-reported long COVID was higher among young people aged 12 to 16 or 17 to 24 years
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...s/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/infections
the higher the percentage of vaccinated people, the lower the number of hospitalisations and the lower the risk if variants
how do you identify those?
back in August:
One in five people being admitted to hospital in England with Covid is aged between 18 and 34, the new chief executive of NHS England has said
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58095503
I would guess they are the group you would consider "dont need the vaccine"
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AFAIK a major problem with COVID-19 is that susceptibility is still not fully understood. I listened to an immunologist on radio a few months ago saying that it in addition to other factors such as age, obeisity and some diseases such as diabetes (all of which appear to increase susceptibility to COVID-19) it appears there is a possible link between certain blood groups and susceptibility to COVID-19 as well, with observations appearing to show that people with B and/or O blood groups were less likely to be COVID-19 in-patients, whilst critically ill COVID-19 patients with blood groups A and AB were more likely to require mechanical ventilation and prolonged intensive care in comparison. A study of severe COVID-19 patients also showed that those with blood group A had a higher risk of severe disease, while blood group O had a protective effect.
This could go some way to explain the disparity in COVID-19 infection rates between those of northern European ethnicity and those of south Asian ethnicity (where appareently blood groups A and AB are more common). There is a discussion on the BMJ website here with relevant references for anyone interested, but I think it makes a myth of age being the only major factor in COVID-19 susceptibility
yes indeed and cytokine storm certainly can effect the very healthy and young
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It's what we used to call a "cold".
you are a shameless troll posting transparent lies.
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Agreed. You might as well call it the "lurgy". BTW @andy11, that "cold" killed a former colleague of mine last year. He was 37, athletic, not overweight, a rugby player and not the sort of person you'd expect to die of COVID-19. I'm sure his missus (a nurse) would give you a piece of her mind of you said that within earshot
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