Wales becomes Trumpton

[motorbiking]

I was doing work FoC/cost for two of the drug development companies trying to get the infrastructure and licensing in place for the vaccine. What did you do to help? Not all so called "Tories" profiteered from the pandemic.

 

[denso13]

The law affected all restricted roads.

Not all restricted roads became 20's.

 

[motorbiking]

incorrect.

 

[denso13]

incorrect.

Correct.

 

[noseall]

20mph: Wales first UK nation to drop speed limit from 30mph

The default speed limit for built-up areas across Wales reduces from 30mph to 20mph on Sunday.

www.bbc.co.uk

A blanket 20mph on all restricted roads seems excessive.

Seems like it's catching on. Coming to a city near you lol. Gammon Daily Fail readers will be outraged.

 

[motorbiking]

Correct.

Read the legislation and show me how. You can’t of course.

 

[denso13]

Exceptions were made before the law came into force. Some 30 restricted roads stayed at 30. They didn't go to 20 in the first place. Not all 30 roads went to 20, by exception.

 

[motorbiking]

I see you’ve changed your position. What you said was

Not all restricted roads became 20's.

Which is nonsense. It was a blanket change to all restricted roads.

 

[denso13]

Which is nonsense. It was a blanket change to all restricted roads.

No, some stayed at 30, by exception. Not all restricted roads became 20's, orders were made before the law came into force, ergo, they didn't change.

 

[motorbiking]

Orders to change them from restricted roads perhaps? Because all restricted roads were affected, by the blanket change.

All restricted roads in wales became 20.

Keep digging. Or admit you were wrong.

 

[denso13]

I'll highlight the important bits.

"The new national 20mph speed limit for restricted roads will come into effect on 17 September 2023 and all Welsh local authorities are committed to delivering the transition of their speed limits.

The Welsh Government has developed ‘Exceptions Criteria’ that can be applied to retain 30mph speed limits on roads where the lower 20mph speed limit is not deemed appropriate.

This can be found on the Welsh Government website at the following web address: Setting Exceptions to the 20mph default speed limit for restricted roads. The ‘Exceptions Process’ has been developed by WG to deliver a consistent approach to 30mph exceptions needed as part of the national rollout across Wales.

Over recent months Caerphilly Council has been working with Welsh Government to develop an ‘Exceptions Map’ for the County Borough. Exceptions have been approved by Cabinet on those roads currently subject to a 30mph where the lower 20mph speed limit is not deemed appropriate."

Caerphilly - Caerphilly County Borough

The place to find services and information provided by Caerphilly County Borough Council and its partners.

www.caerphilly.gov.uk

 

[motorbiking]

Confirms you were wrong then. All restricted roads became 20.

We knew this already. Because the legislation was shorter than your article and very easy to read.

 

[denso13]

All restricted roads became 20.

Except the ones that didn't. Do you need a list of the exceptions Caerphilly Council did again, before the law came into place?

 

[motorbiking]

Roads that were changed from being restricted roads you mean… because all restricted roads became 20.

Not all restricted roads became 20's.

Had you said. Not all 30s became 20s… but you didn’t.

Want to keep digging?

 

[denso13]

because all restricted roads became 20.

No they didn't,

2. Exceptions to the default 20mph limit for restricted roads​

2.1 Principles​

2.1.1 In line with the Welsh Government’s aspiration to meet the Stockholm declaration (Para 1.2.3), a 20mph speed limit should be set where pedestrians and/or cyclists and motor vehicles mix in a frequent manner, except where strong evidence exists that higher speeds are safe.
2.1.2 Not all existing 30mph roads will meet this test, and highway authorities should prepare Orders to retain the current speed limit for these roads. These are termed ‘exceptions’ to the default speed limit for restricted roads.