Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[Highway Man]

You disagree that minds only work when they are open?

A lot of people on this forum do not get along due to diverse opinions. However I have not heard anyone actually mention death which in my book is a step too far. The comment is not nice or even appropriate and that is my final word on this.

 

[morqthana]

I said insults and twisting would follow. And they have.

It is not an insult to observe that you don't have an open mind - you've provided ample evidence of that.

It is not an insult to observe that minds work better when they are open, it's pretty self-obvious.

If you are upset by being categorised as having a closed mind, try opening it.

 

[denso13]

Some people, when they encounter arguments/evidence/facts which run counter to what they previously believed consider them, and may change their position as a result.

Cool, that makes me intelligent then. Phew...

 

[denso13]

If you are upset by being categorised as having a closed mind, try opening it.

My mind is open. Stop demanding that people believe the same as you.

 

[denso13]

If you are upset by being categorised as having a closed mind, try opening it.

Not in the least upset, you'll need to try a lot harder than that. Sticks and stones etc.

 

[morqthana]

A lot of people on this forum do not get along due to diverse opinions. However I have not heard anyone actually mention death which in my book is a step too far. The comment is not nice or even appropriate and that is my final word on this.

1) Men do get, and die from, breast cancer.

And the death of so many males during wars.

Then there's assisted dying

But I assume that it's this which has got you all "ooh matron!"-ey.

Don't ever try sky-diving with a parachute which works as well as your mind - you'll die.

If you read it carefully (you can do that, right?) you'll see that I was giving Denso advice on how not to die from something.

 

[morqthana]

My mind is open.

But not to any of the scientific paper/articles/studies/etc which show that sex is not binary.

Stop demanding that people believe the same as you.

I'm not. If I'm "demanding" anything it's that you stop refusing to consider anything which does not agree with your prejudices.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

A lot of people on this forum do not get along due to diverse opinions. However I have not heard anyone actually mention death which in my book is a step too far. The comment is not nice or even appropriate and that is my final word on this.

You object to someone observing that if a parachute does not open, the parachutist will (probably) die?
You are very easily offended.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

My mind is open. Stop demanding that people believe the same as you.

It was your refusal to consider the evidence that gives rise to the assumption that your mind is closed.

 

[Highway Man]

If you read it carefully (you can do that, right?) you'll see that I was giving Denso advice on how not to die from something.

I don't think he needs that advice, do you?

 

[Highway Man]

You object to someone observing that if a parachute does not open, the parachutist will (probably) die?
You are very easily offended.

but not like you are over trans people

 

[Deleted member 323070]

but not like you are over trans people

When have I claimed to have been offended?

 

[Highway Man]

When have I claimed to have been offended?

You seem pretty OTT over it

 

[morqthana]

An interesting article, but what is your point in reference to this article?

That biological sex is binary.

No, the article doesn't actually say that.

It says that there are two types of gametes (egg/sperm) which there are, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they can be used as a binary sex marker.

Which of course, they can't as some people produce neither, so that's immediately a 3rd category. Sometimes the absence of either is accompanied by ambiguous gonads. So is that a 4th category?

Some people produce both, so that's immediately a 4th/5th category.

Do you really not see? Even though there are only two types of gametes, they can't be used as a marker for a binary sex classification as there are 4 ways they can manifest in humans.

The article says that there are two types of sex hormones, androgens and estrogens (in vertebrates).

(Actually, there are also progestogens).

But yes, in many contexts, the two main classes of sex hormones are androgens and estrogens. And in general, androgens are considered "male sex hormones", since they have masculinising effects, while estrogens and progestogens are considered "female sex hormones".

The problem with trying to use those as a binary sex marker though is that all types are present in each sex at different levels.

So no - he doesn't claim that there are only 2 sexes, only that there are 2 types of some markers. As those don't present in a binary way, he couldn't make that claim.

Other critical sex markers beyond gametes and sex hormones include gonads, genitals, chromosomes, and secondary characteristics.

No sex marker, including gametes, present as a sex binary.

Here's Why Human Sex Is Not Binary

Ova don’t make a woman, and sperm don’t make a man

www.scientificamerican.com

Biological sex is not as simple as male or female

A recent Trump executive order defines sex based on gamete size. But the order oversimplifies genetics, hormones and reproductive biology.

www.sciencenews.org

Why Sex isn't Binary

By Darren Incorvaia

www.scientistafoundation.com

 

[Highway Man]

No, the article doesn't actually say that.

It says that there are two types of gametes (egg/sperm) which there are, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they can be used as a binary sex marker.

Which of course, they can't as some people produce neither, so that's immediately a 3rd category. Sometimes the absence of either is accompanied by ambiguous gonads. So is that a 4th category?

Some people produce both, so that's immediately a 4th/5th category.

Do you really not see? Even though there are only two types of gametes, they can't be used as a marker for a binary sex classification as there are 4 ways they can manifest in humans.

The article says that there are two types of sex hormones, androgens and estrogens (in vertebrates).

(Actually, there are also progestogens).

But yes, in many contexts, the two main classes of sex hormones are androgens and estrogens. And in general, androgens are considered "male sex hormones", since they have masculinising effects, while estrogens and progestogens are considered "female sex hormones".

The problem with trying to use those as a binary sex marker though is that all types are present in each sex at different levels.

So no - he doesn't claim that there are only 2 sexes, only that there are 2 types of some markers. As those don't present in a binary way, he couldn't make that claim.

Other critical sex markers beyond gametes and sex hormones include gonads, genitals, chromosomes, and secondary characteristics.

No sex marker, including gametes, present as a sex binary.

Here's Why Human Sex Is Not Binary

Ova don’t make a woman, and sperm don’t make a man

www.scientificamerican.com

Biological sex is not as simple as male or female

A recent Trump executive order defines sex based on gamete size. But the order oversimplifies genetics, hormones and reproductive biology.

www.sciencenews.org

Why Sex isn't Binary

By Darren Incorvaia

www.scientistafoundation.com

This is getting weirder by the post,.