Wooden Wall Lights.....No Earth!?

[Nikibaabaa]

Hello I bought 2 new wooden wall lights to replace previously fitted brass versions. They are mainly made of wood with a small metal cup where the bulb sits. The wall is wired with an earth wire but the product doesnt have an earth to connect it to.

Should it have an earth wire as the metal can be touched, and if so, how do I add it to my wall light? Front and back photos provided. Thanks all

 

[jj4091]

Can't see any pics.

 

[Nikibaabaa]

Apologies. They must not have uploaded. Can you see them now?

 

[robinbanks]

The writing on the sticker says it all!

 

[Nikibaabaa]

Thanks robinbanks. Thats not really a helpful response.

 

[SFK]

Should it have an earth wire as the metal can be touched

Yes it should have an earth connection to the metal.
It will be difficult for you to make that connection - and if you did this then puts the liability on you.

The label should have a CE marking.
If no earth is needed the label should have a 'double insulation' marking.
The wires should be copper (they look like aluminum).
There is no secured space (or box) for connections with the wires to be made.

I would recommend that these are not used and are put in the bin.
Sorry for the bad news.

SFK

 

[Taylortwocities]

@Nikibaabaa you already posted this question https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/wooden-wall-light-no-earth.648894/

why did you do it twice???

 

[Nikibaabaa]

Hi Taylortwocities Thanks for making me aware of this. I hadnt realised it was posted twice. User error when uploading. Apologies

 

[morqthana]

Yes it should have an earth connection to the metal.

How do you know?

If no earth is needed the label should have a 'double insulation' marking.

But is that symbol not there because they didn't bother to have it, or because the light really is not double insulated?

The wires should be copper (they look like aluminum).

Or tinned copper.

There is no secured space (or box) for connections with the wires to be made.

Quite common with wall lights.

I would recommend that these are not used and are put in the bin.

That won't get him his money refunded.

 

[Jurassicspark]

Yes it should have an earth connection to the metal.
It will be difficult for you to make that connection - and if you did this then puts the liability on you.

Hmm, in instances (not certain in this case) where the manufacturer has exercised diligence and ensured that there are no defective design or unsafe things are introduced then liability for any subsequent issues arising from improper use mishandling, or negligence unequivocally transfers to the user who in doing so assumes full responsibility for the resulting consequences. Conversely, should the manufacturer have embedded a flawed design or substandard part, accountability for any failures or damages remains firmly with the manufacturer.

So who will be held liable? And is that not the case of the original thread of whether the light may be class one or class two?

The label should have a CE marking.

What if it was manufactured without being needed to have the CE marking? Hence why I asked where was this purchased from?

If no earth is needed the label should have a 'double insulation' marking.

If the diabolical manufacturer hasn't bothered to add the class two label, or insisted if the fitting is earthed, by simply soldering a connector to the metal and according to you, the CE label, then would you think they would be arsed to carry out the tests to confirm if its really class two?

I would recommend that these are not used and are put in the bin.

What if it was purchased from a place where those requirements do not exist like how they exist here? Yes, of course they wont be recommended to be used where the regs are in force but it would be better to return them rather to put it in the bin.

 

[robinbanks]

The label should have a CE marking.

Those labels barely even have any recognisably Latin characters..

 

[Nikibaabaa]

It translates to this:

Zhongshan Baina Lighting Co., Ltd. Product Name Model ED1-OEW1: ZH09/0S: Rated Mains Current 0.06A AZ.t 2002-108; GB7000:-00-1 Implementation Standard: GB70000 Under no circumstances should the lamps be covered by pads or other materials.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Those labels barely even have any recognisably Latin characters..

Look at the other thread for thus problem. I’ve posted a full translation of the labels!!!
This is what happens if you post twice.

Is there a delete topic function??

Oh. Here it is again. Maybe better to ignore this one and concentrate on the other one.

 

[Nikibaabaa]

So i consulted with the factory who made them. They informed me that the metal cup and the lamp's electrical wiring are separated, so it is merely a decorative component.

Does that now make sense that there is no Earth?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So i consulted with the factory who made them. They informed me that the metal cup and the lamp's electrical wiring are separated, so it is merely a decorative component.

Does that now make sense that there is no Earth?

Not really, the point is - is it properly classified as meeting the standard for 'double-insulated', or are the metal components properly earthed. If the answer to both questions is no, then in its present design, it is not suitable, or safe to install in the UK.