FLUE PICS, IS THERE A PROBLEM HERE.

[dip4]

Is this flue ok, as you can see it is a basement flat and the flue comes out on the steps would this pass a landlords gas inspection

thanks dip

 

[Nixt]

I wouldn't pass it as it won't be one of the manufacturer's termination options.

 

[mrgas]

No, I wouldnt pass it.
Cant use flue bends outside.
Not to manafactures instructions.
No terminal cage

 

[scatmanjohn]

Never in all my time have i seen a flue terminal guard used in that way

I'd have to have a proper look but would probably be ncs.

 

[htgeng]

Never in all my time have i seen a flue terminal guard used in that way

I'd have to have a proper look but would probably be ncs.

Looks like an inventive diy job with that cage. I suggest he sends the pics into eyespy. I don't know what the 'prize' is now but its usually gift vouchers or something.

 

[dip4]

would this be classed as at risk.

 

[Agile]

It is wrong because these are internal parts which have been used outside.

Also the actual terminal is beside the wall when it should discharge outwards or perpendicularly to the wall.

It may well be in an inappropriate position in relation to the steps.

Clearly NOT fitted by a CORGI !!!

The fix would be to use a plume diverter to take the gases to a discharge point higher up but thats only possible if it was a condensing boiler and it probably is not!

Very silly situation to get into by not using properly qualified installers.

Tony

 

[ChrisR]

mrgas - there's no Pass or Fail on a Landlord's gas inspection.

Those flue components shouldn't be used outside. Certainly ncs, but if you decided it was "incorrect flue components fitted" then surely it has to be AR?
Terminal orientation incorrect so the lateral clearance is infringed - another NCS.
Terminal under 2 m from foot level needs a guard, which has to be 50mm clear of the terminal.
So another NCS.

 

[superdupergasman]

I would say it was an NCS, could it really cause danger to life or property??

At the moment the flue looks in good condition and as long as it passes a performance test then ok to use but not the prefered method of termination.

There are similar flues to this in a coucil block I was walking past in Lewisham, using an normal flue extension to bring it out over a balcony but no elbow.

 

[Agile]

I would say it was an NCS, could it really cause danger to life or property??

At the moment the flue looks in good condition and as long as it passes a performance test then ok to use but not the prefered method of termination.

There are similar flues to this in a coucil block I was walking past in Lewisham, using an normal flue extension to bring it out over a balcony but no elbow.

But dont two NCSs on a flue make it AR ???

Is there really a Lewisham in Edinburgh?

Tony

 

[sooey]

I'd say that was at risk because of the way the terminal is discharging along the wall, if the wind was in the right direction it could blow back in the door a lot easier than if it was discharging away from the wall. Besides even if I was wrong nobody is going to shoot me for over reacting.

 

[superdupergasman]

Is there really a Lewisham in Edinburgh?

Tony

No, I am down in London a fair bit.


Multiple NCS's.....I would say my engineering judgment determines if I feel its AR.

I would say no... as long as flue is working properly, ie not too long for boiler not creating excessive CO and is in good nick.

As for blowing back into door, some worcesters can go 150mm from opening into property.

 

[ChrisR]

But dont two NCSs on a flue make it AR ???

No, only on CF's.

I think the most crucial aspect is rain getting into the flue through the non-weatherproof parts, so the slope would be more important that usual.

I expect COrgi would say that if it's working OK then it's only NCS. That's how they wanted a flue with an outer tube corroded through, judged.

 

[sooey]

Multiple NCS's.....I would say my engineering judgment determines if I feel its AR.

I might be wrong but I thought the multiple ncs thing was for open flues.

As for blowing back into door, some worcesters can go 150mm from opening into property.

Yeah, but that's when they are discharging out away from the wall.

I prefer to use my "covering my own a*se judgement

 

[mickyg]

The reason why manufacturers advise against running flue extensions outside is to prevent the cooling of POC in the flue in cold conditions, creating an excessive build up of condensation in the flue, thus causing a risk of corroding the inner flue, leading to recyclyed POC etc etc.. therefore I think it comes to engineering judgement. I would be looking for signs of corrosion, condensation, and whether the flue rises or falls to the outlet. You might get away with an ncs...