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As Mr starkey says its a pretty minor epidemic to have committed economic suicide over.
Will be interesting to see what the lwr/boris bashers make of it. Still hardly a chirp from them on the economic front.
They were moaning for years about a brexit economic cliff edge, now they seem happy to toss the country over the edge just because they pretend to care about the chinese virus victims.
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With what we know now. Starkey is in the group who should be in lockdown. Its the vast majority of us who don't need to be in lockdown.
Under 65s account for 10% of deaths, under 45s account for 1% of deaths. 9 out of 10 of those had health problems. If we work on the basis that all over 65s go in to strict lockdown and the rest of us carry on as usual. You'd still get less deaths. I don't believe we were ever heading for 500,000 deaths. Social distancing and hygiene is key.
60% of furlough would have been avoided, 40% of shutdown businesses would still continue.
But much of that is with the benefit of hindsight.
Under 65s account for 10% of deaths, under 45s account for 1% of deaths. 9 out of 10 of those had health problems. If we work on the basis that all over 65s go in to strict lockdown and the rest of us carry on as usual. You'd still get less deaths. I don't believe we were ever heading for 500,000 deaths. Social distancing and hygiene is key.
60% of furlough would have been avoided, 40% of shutdown businesses would still continue.
But much of that is with the benefit of hindsight.
Deaths are one statistic. Spreaders are the other statistic.
How many infected people have passed on the infection to one or more other people. What is the age breakdown for these spreaders of infection.
But we only have hindsight of the results of the country being in lock down. There is no hindsight of what would have happened if lock down had not been in place in 2020. There is however the experience of the 1918 Spanish Flu where due to the need for "war effort" a lock down was not ( could not ) be imposed.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
Harris believes that the rapid spread of Spanish flu in the fall of 1918 was at least partially to blame on public health officials unwilling to impose quarantines during wartime. In Britain, for example, a government official named Arthur Newsholme knew full well that a strict civilian lockdown was the best way to fight the spread of the highly contagious disease. But he wouldn’t risk crippling the war effort by keeping munitions factory workers and other civilians home.
According to Harris’s research, Newsholme concluded that “the relentless needs of warfare justified incurring [the] risk of spreading infection” and encouraged Britons to simply “carry on” during the pandemic.
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In the absence of a vaccine you basically have 3 options
1. Let everyone catch it and hope that natural immunity occurs such that the virus cannot reproduce.
2. Isolate people so that they cannot spread the virus, so that it dies out. That requires global coordination.
3. Combine 1 & 2 Work out who is most at risk and who is least at risk and set policy accordingly. That simply not politically acceptable.
At the same time you need to develop methods to improve survivability and that is really the aim of lockdown. Lockdown has been a success, we've made mistakes protecting the most vulnerable, but, right now we need to mover rapidly to Level 3 and 2.
Its the 15-30 year olds who will suffer most from lockdown and stood to benefit the least.
1. Let everyone catch it and hope that natural immunity occurs such that the virus cannot reproduce.
2. Isolate people so that they cannot spread the virus, so that it dies out. That requires global coordination.
3. Combine 1 & 2 Work out who is most at risk and who is least at risk and set policy accordingly. That simply not politically acceptable.
At the same time you need to develop methods to improve survivability and that is really the aim of lockdown. Lockdown has been a success, we've made mistakes protecting the most vulnerable, but, right now we need to mover rapidly to Level 3 and 2.
Its the 15-30 year olds who will suffer most from lockdown and stood to benefit the least.
ha ha
the number of deaths were kept down because of the lockdown.
strawman argument.
A proven app was available weeks ago.
It's just that our isolationist government chose not to adopt it.
Brilliant, but I am told it only works for people with a suitable mobile phone.
The infection rate was rising exponentially before the lockdown measures were implemented.
Had these measures not been introduced where would we be now.
The Americans knew full well what was going on in China.
The American CDC along with the WHO were informed by the Chinese authorities about a virus of unkown origin, this was on the 31 of December.
As this virus had never been seen before and was not fully understood, the Chinese were not in the position at that point to make any definitive announcements as to whether or not we faced a pandemic.
Below is summary of the timeline of CV19.
Retrospective studies consider the SARS-CoV-2 to have evolved in November 2019. Scientific comprehension of this new kind of SARS-like coronavirus took place at Vision Medicals, located in Guangzhou province, between 24–27 December 2019. Clinical apprehension of a pending epidemic started at Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine in Wuhan almost the same time, in the days between 27 and 29 December 2019. At 31 December 2019 the Wuhan Health authorities issued a case statistic. At that day information reached WHO through official channels and the U.S. CDC as well
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My lion powder is still working! No lions anywhere.
It isn't.
It just reveals the remoaners as the scaremongering hypocrites that they really are.
The number of (direct) covid deaths were. For now.
Without vaccine (hoped for, not guaranteed) or effective treatment (as above), the deaths will all happen anyway, unless the lockdown remains ad infinitum.
Unless the (unproven hope of) naturally-acquired immunity comes through, or the virus mutates to a sniffle-for-all affair.
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