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Your use of the phrase EU expansion is incorrect. It is not the EU expanding and gobbling up other countries, it is those other countries applying for membership of the EU, of their own free will, and going through the process of meeting all the required criteria.
The EU requires strict compliance with its requirements before other countries are allowed to join, and then provisional restrictions may applied for a limited amount of time. SO the EU is intentionally making it difficult for other countries to join.
The UK is a strong advocate of making it mote difficult. The UK's voice will be lost when we leave.

When did David Cameron say he would like to see the EU expand into the Ural Mountains?
He said it in a question and answer session in Kazakhstan 1st July 2013, look it up yourself.
He claimed that the British people supported further expansion into former Russian territories.
He also thought that allowing Ukraine into the EU would be a good idea.
 
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Your use of the phrase EU expansion is incorrect. It is not the EU expanding and gobbling up other countries, it is those other countries applying for membership of the EU, of their own free will, and going through the process of meeting all the required criteria.
The EU requires strict compliance with its requirements before other countries are allowed to join, and then provisional restrictions may applied for a limited amount of time. SO the EU is intentionally making it difficult for other countries to join.
The UK is a strong advocate of making it mote difficult. The UK's voice will be lost when we leave.

When did David Cameron say he would like to see the EU expand into the Ural Mountains?
Other countries are applying to join the EU because the EU promises to give them lots of other people's money ,once these countries join they are locked in with no prospect of escape.
As for the membership criteria being very strict didn't they fiddle the account books for the Greeks to facilitate their entry.
 
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To help restore balance, a few reasons the payment is good for the U

I can see a few mild advantages in your list.

However HS2 offers far better value overall, a mere £100B and it will knock 20 mins of the journey time -EU membership cant do that.
 
once these countries join they are locked in with no prospect of escape.
So if according to you there is 'no prospect of escape', is the Brexit process merely a figment of our imagination? :rolleyes:
 

OMG, you're right. One bad foreign doctor must mean they are all bad. Send them all back!
But, we have had a lot of bad British doctors too. And teachers, policemen, business managers, politicians, cleaners, shopkeepers, bee keepers, bakers, hair dressers - we should exile everybody! OK, maybe not bee keepers.

Brexit should mean everybody leave the British Isles, save the country from people!
 
you say this foreign doctor only killed one person, and that was an accident?

Amateur.

A home-grown British doc can kill hundreds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-engla...tal-deaths&link_location=live-reporting-story


That's conflating, and does not address the point made.

Ubani was not demonstrably not competent, despite the supposed assurances to the contrary.
Shipman was not subject to "[cross-border] mutual recognition of professional qualifications", at least in the cases of those he murdered.
 
I guess what we should be discussing is, what is the best private health care service? I assume most people that speak out against foreign doctors here have private health now?

The NHS already has a staff shortage because of austerity, the hostile environment, and Brexit. Fact: in June last year there were 107,743 NHS staff vancanies.
The Tories won't fund it. We frightened off the best nurses and doctors with Brexit (63,000 NHS staff in England are EU nationals) and America wants a piece of the pie.
So, it won't be long until we'll all be shopping around for an alternative health care provider. Some people want the American system, but American Diabetics have to pay around $1000 a month on insulin. Not something many Brits will want to pay.

We have a great system and it has worked as well as it does because the UK has been a place many medical professionals want to live and work, and because the government has supported the NHS and funded it properly. All that is changing. Call it project fear if you like, but there are many people working in the NHS that will tell you that the problems are already happening. I spent a few days in hospital in 2017 - without the foreign nurses and doctors it would have been even more horrendous than it was. The nurses worked very hard, but I could tell from the comfort of my bed that they were very stretched and under huge pressure, and the doctors more so.

So, let's please stop moaning about foreign doctors and nurses, they are still far more likely to save your life than kill you.
 
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