Expanded ULEZ

[Andydevon]

How does it go - don't feed the troll

 

[carmanmemoranda]

How does it go - don't feed the troll

Not me that's telling lies Andy.

It's you. It's not a good look.

Stop telling lies, I will stop calling you out for it

 

[motorbiking]

It doesn't meet the definition of a tax.

"A tax is a mandatory payment or charge collected by local, state, and national governments from individuals or businesses to cover the costs of general government services, goods, and activities."

What Is a Tax?

A tax is a mandatory payment or charge collected by local, state, and national governments from individuals or businesses to cover the costs of general government services, goods, and activities.

taxfoundation.org

Really? I’d say it very much fits in to the category.

Not much different to VED.

 

[motorbiking]

So the GOVERNMENT statement doesn't count?

Diplomacy doesn't count?

It’s little more than a request without the word please.

But the US position is correct. I suspect that the countries that pay do not exempt the U.K. under the same and are therefore obligated under the treaty.

Let’s hear your thinking on why it’s a service with enforceable terms. You and denso are welcome to make a joint submission.

Please make sure that your answer addresses:
1. The elements necessary to form a contract
2. Why it would not be subject to the limitation act

If you get that far
3. Why TfL have not taken enforcement action for each charge in the civil courts. Paying particular attention to the rules of immunity for civil action against foreign diplomats.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It’s little more than a request without the word please.

But the US position is correct. I suspect that the countries that pay do not exempt the U.K. under the same and are therefore obligated under the treaty.

Let’s hear your thinking on why it’s a service with enforceable terms. You and denso are welcome to make a joint submission.

Please make sure that your answer addresses:
1. The elements necessary to form a contract
2. Why it would not be subject to the limitation act

If you get that far
3. Why TfL have not taken enforcement action for each charge in the civil courts. Paying particular attention to the rules of immunity for civil action against foreign diplomats.

Somebody else who isn't reading what was said

I've never claimed it was enforceable in any way

I've asked why you think the Government asking for it to be paid doesn't count? Whether its via diplomacy or law?

The only other choice is to write it off. I'm no fan of this government, but I agree with them in this case.

It may well get written off. But it's good to see its not happening without trying.

You may notice, it's Government level, not TFL by the way.

So you carry on asking for details about something that's not been said because I'm not answering what I've not claimed

 

[noseall]

Vehicles don’t have diplomatic immunity.

Or a bank account.

 

[Mottie]

Or a bank account.

But someone who wants them back will have one.

 

[denso13]

Really? I’d say it very much fits in to the category.

Not much different to VED.

Well I say it doesn't.

They might struggle to prove it is a service charge, although it's obvious why they would claim that, but it isn't a tax.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

But someone who wants them back will have one.

Seriously think you can impound a diplomatic flagged car for minor violations?

 

[Mottie]

Seriously think you can impound a diplomatic flagged car for minor violations?

Don’t know. Do you?

 

[noseall]

But someone who wants them back will have one.

I doubt ownership of the car and ownership of the parking violation are one and the same.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Don’t know. Do you?

Why do you think such cars are easily recognised as diplomatic vehicles ?

The people inside them are not above the laws of the land they are in, but there is a worldwide convention on what happens.

 

[Mottie]

I doubt ownership of the car and ownership of the parking violation are one and the same.

Then the owner can take it up with the driver - much like a company would do to one of their drivers that commits an offence.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Then the owner can take it up with the driver - much like a company would do to one of their drivers that commits an offence.

As much as I don't agree with diplomatic immunity, or the rules around it all, its important that it runs the same everywhere.

 

[motorbiking]

Well I say it doesn't.

They might struggle to prove it is a service charge, although it's obvious why they would claim that, but it isn't a tax.

So according to you what is it?