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Is this fusebox illegal

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by Psmk222, 2 Dec 2019 at 8:46 PM.

  1. sparkwright

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    It needs to be determined what kind of tubing you have.

    Some conduits allow re-wiring with no disruption at all.

    But some (narrow) conduit systems (with tight, clamp on bends) are virtually impossible to re-wire.



    WARNING; removing any electrical covers could disturb the wiring and make it crumble, exposing bare metal wire, and could cause an electric shock.
     
  2. Psmk222

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    Yeah wish i never wasted Money on this bath now....ill see what spark says tomorrow..maybe hold off my tiler and look for something else
     
  3. winston1

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    A whirlpool bath is a relatively small load and there no reason why it cannot be spurred off a nearby socket via a RCD fused connection unit. No need to go near that fusebox at all.
     
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    No-one will connect to that crap.

    Also the Earthing and bonding will almost certainly be inadequate.

    Also RCD FCUs to BS 7288:2016 do not provide additional protection and therefore all reference to them has been deleted from the Wiring Regulations.
     
  5. sparkwright

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    This is a good solution to get the bath going without disturbing the fuse box, but one has to wonder what the existing circuits are like, we don't even know what the earthing/bonding is like.
     
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    There was once an electric shower in the bathroom and the cable is still there...it is connected to the meter via this box
     

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    Had the same in my house, now replaced with a metal consumer unit all RCBO, but nothing illegal about it, but silly place for it, in my case between original ceiling and new false ceiling where garage made into a granny flat.
     
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    Another specimen from The House of Horror.

    Maybe your electrician will be able to adapt this, but then again he may not want to touch it - see what he says.
     
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    It does look pretty scary to be fair
     
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    Did you mean to write 'adequate' instead of 'additional'?
     
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    No.
     
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    What Risteard said is, at least literally, true - BS7671:2018 does not contain any reference to BS 7288:2016. Furthermore, 531.3.6 indicates that "RCDs for additional protection in AC systems" must comply with BS EN 61008 series, BS EN 61009 series or BS EN 62423 (with no mention of anything else).

    What I don't understand is what Risteard said about all references to BS 7288:2016 having been "deleted from the Wiring Regulations'. The most recent version of BS7671 prior to the current one (Amd3 of BS 7671:2008) pre-dated BS 7288:2016 (which therefore obviously does not appear in that version of BS 7671 - and nor does any other version {date} of BS 7288). Nor can I find any reference to BS BS 7288:2016 in any earlier version of BS 7671:2008 ('seventeenth'). It would therefore seem to be that BS 7671 has never (at least, not since 2008) contained any reference to BS 7288:2016.

    What this means about the acceptability of RCD FCUs as a means of 'additional protection' per BS7671, I don't know.

    Kind Regards, john
     
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    My point is that BS 7288:2016 explicitly states that such devices do not provide additional protection, so BS7671 had no choice but to remove them.
     
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    One has to wonder where the incoming cable, cutout and meter are located ( hidden ).

    To get to the main switch to cut off the power in an emergency could be a problem.
     
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    I do not see how it can do that.

    Does BS7671 have a separate definition of 'additional' where it does not simply mean 'extra' or 'not there before'.

    Does an RCD FCU not meet the requirements of 415.1.1?
     
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