Max Clifford Eight Years

[Micilin]

I don't remember there being a gagging order in force with the atrocities being carried out in Northern Ireland thirty years ago!!

Gerry Adams had one.

Sinn Féin / IRA were gagged in the media in ROI, but the ridiculous 'words of an actor' got around the ban in Britain.

 

[longdogs]

Desperately seeking common sense, what are we talking about the patron saint of hotels for?

I was a bit tongue in cheek with my remark about Joe owning this forum, good for him if he does, most of us have crossed swords with him at some time or another, some people think he's a pillock while others think he's a prat, whatever, the thing is we live in a free country with free speech, he has a point of view and you appear to attack him on the grounds of being a racist RH.

With everything that's happened over the last few years from the young girls being groomed to one of OUR soldiers being murdered on the streets of our capital city in broad daylight I think we have a right to talk about these issues, I don't remember there being a gagging order in force with the atrocities being carried out in Northern Ireland thirty years ago!!

Quite right, pred.
We do have a right to discuss these issues.
We also have a right to state racist views. We even have a right to ferment prejudice. It's free speech.
Similarly I have a right to oppose prejudice.
Look what happens on this forum when someone does oppose prejudice!

I hope the behaviour of the prejudicist bigade is the action of the few. Sadly, it includes joe.

What we don't have is a right to incite racial hatred or worse still violence. Either is illegal.

However, when the owner of the site, i.e. joe, if he is the owneer, fails to discourage or even initiates prejudice and intolerance, it gives cause for concern.
It means that others are allowed, even encouraged to post offensive comments.

Additionally, the "Alert Mod" function is pointless because the mods are hardly likely to delete offensive posts made by the owner.

But the "Alert Mods" function does not divest the owner of any responsibility for hosting prejudicial material. It could be argued that the owner, actually encourages the posting of bigotted comments.

Moreover, any posts by the owner, which are obviously not deleted, or going to be deleted, sets the level for the mods to work to.
The amount, breadth and depth of offensive posts is hardly conducive to alerting the mods. Therefore the function is more or less superfluous.

Maybe you are the owner. Your reversed racist views are not deleted either

 

[RogueHanger]

Desperately seeking common sense, what are we talking about the patron saint of hotels for?

I was a bit tongue in cheek with my remark about Joe owning this forum, good for him if he does, most of us have crossed swords with him at some time or another, some people think he's a pillock while others think he's a prat, whatever, the thing is we live in a free country with free speech, he has a point of view and you appear to attack him on the grounds of being a racist RH.

With everything that's happened over the last few years from the young girls being groomed to one of OUR soldiers being murdered on the streets of our capital city in broad daylight I think we have a right to talk about these issues, I don't remember there being a gagging order in force with the atrocities being carried out in Northern Ireland thirty years ago!!

Quite right, pred.
We do have a right to discuss these issues.
We also have a right to state racist views. We even have a right to ferment prejudice. It's free speech.
Similarly I have a right to oppose prejudice.
Look what happens on this forum when someone does oppose prejudice!

I hope the behaviour of the prejudicist bigade is the action of the few. Sadly, it includes joe.

What we don't have is a right to incite racial hatred or worse still violence. Either is illegal.

However, when the owner of the site, i.e. joe, if he is the owneer, fails to discourage or even initiates prejudice and intolerance, it gives cause for concern.
It means that others are allowed, even encouraged to post offensive comments.

Additionally, the "Alert Mod" function is pointless because the mods are hardly likely to delete offensive posts made by the owner.

But the "Alert Mods" function does not divest the owner of any responsibility for hosting prejudicial material. It could be argued that the owner, actually encourages the posting of bigotted comments.

Moreover, any posts by the owner, which are obviously not deleted, or going to be deleted, sets the level for the mods to work to.
The amount, breadth and depth of offensive posts is hardly conducive to alerting the mods. Therefore the function is more or less superfluous.

Maybe you are the owner. Your reversed racist views are not deleted either

To delete my views would not only excacerbate the problem, it would indicate the true nature of the GD forum to be bigotted.
Don't you think?

 

[longdogs]

No. It was ok before you arrived.

 

[RogueHanger]

No. It was ok before you arrived.

Strange, as I said earlier, the reason for my joining was because of the bigotted comments.

You mean it was OK to make such bigotted comments, without question, before I arrived?

 

[Whitespirit66]

No. It was ok before you arrived.

Well, there was that Ellal bloke.


Trouble is, if the followers of the R O P keep to their obvious and persistent offending in certain crimes, it's only natural that we highlight and discuss the situation. To coathanger, this spotlight on what is really going on is racist. He would rather we ignored or covered up the situation in common with his painfully lefty allies in the British media and politics, etc, etc, etc. Our highlighting the situation shows the multicultural project for the dangerous failure that it is.

In the interests of fairness and balance, perhaps I should start Googling to see if I can find recognisable patterns of offending in other religions. Lets see now - Hindus systematically grooming white school girls; Buddhists bringing terror to public transport; Jews flying airliners into tall buildings; Methodists trying to blow up passenger jets. Nope - nothing showing up yet.

 

[longdogs]

No. It was ok before you arrived.

Strange, as I said earlier, the reason for my joining was because of the bigotted comments.

You mean it was OK to make such bigotted comments, without question, before I arrived?

No its never ok to make bigoted comments so please stop making them.

 

[Brigadier]

Why are the sentences consecutive when the only sentencing I've ever seen has been concurrent?

I was under the impression that he was sentenced under powers "at the time of the offences."
These punishments were a lot more lenient than what could be given out for the same offences nowadays.
The sentencing judge may have thought that the severity of the crimes, Clifford's lack of remorse, his reported contempt for the court, and general light-hearted lack of respect for the proceedings, warranted a more severe sentence. So he decided to run them consecutively.

 

[Nige F]

Excuse my ignorance please but who is St Basil?


Where did he sow his seeds?

He spilled them on the ground - like Onan

 

[joe-90]

I reckon he'll appeal and get 18 months.

 

[jockscott]

St Basil,, the patron saint of hotels

 

[cajar]

I reckon he'll appeal and get 18 months.

He could convert to islam, marry a wife who doesn't speak english and be out in no time

 

[JBR]

I reckon he'll appeal and get 18 months.

He could convert to islam, marry a wife who doesn't speak english and be out in no time

And claim thousands due to his human rights having been contravened.

 

[noseall]

I reckon he'll appeal and get 18 months.

Appealing is a double edged sword. His lawyers or his limited pockets may prohibit this.

He no longer has a business and there are press claims he may have to sell his house to pay legal costs.

His wife will likely divorce him and take whatever is left.

He may get sued in a civil capacity also.

I reckon you may be wrong Joey.

 

[joe-90]

That'll be a first.