May Hammered Over Police Numbers

[Ihavenojob]

Never heard this speech in full, but read a snippet , and then decided to read it in full.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

 

[Roger928]

It would make a difference to us (the general public) if the police numbers were different.

We would be safer (ie at less risk and better protected) if numbers were swelled.

We are less safe (ie at greater risk and less well protected) when numbers are fewer.

This would be more useful imo..
The German government will electronically tag all people on the country’s terror watch list even if they have committed no crime, reflecting a tougher approach in the wake of December’s terror attack in Berlin.

And no need for thousands of armed officers on the streets costing millions.
Northern Ireland was crawling with police and soldiers for decades and it achieved exactly didly squat.

 

[securespark]

For three days, yes.

You're asking for a permanent increase in security on the street. Then surely it can't matter of they wear green instead of blue. Every street corner, every public building, that would be nice and safe.

Nicer and safer.

Nothing will stop people who are ultra-determined to wreak havoc. But more uniforms on the street will have a deterrent effect and if an attack happens, will be more efficient and therefore quicker in dealing with it.

IHNI how many non-deployed military there are in this country, but there must be a fair few what with the TA added into the mix.

Here's a radical thought: bring back NS for all long-term unemployed people who are fit and able to train in the army then employ them to patrol the streets.

 

[^woody^]

I also talked about prevention: having lots more police investigating potential suspects would not bring benefit in the short term but could well reap rewards in the longer term. Don't forget the police have already foiled several terror plots recently. Think how much more they could do with more people on the job.

That's all funded from central government in any case, not local budgets.

 

[blightymam]

Yes bliar and his "save the world" fanatics.
The LWR brigade think the current wave of attacks have no connection...... bless

It always sounds to me that you're giving these terrorists justification.

 

[securespark]

Don't care where the money comes from.

Now we have been the victim of several terrorist atrocities over the years, it is time to crack down. We need to spend less on other countries and funnel more into looking after our own.

 

[Ihavenojob]

bring back NS for all long-term unemployed people who are fit and able to train in the army

A very large number of young muslim men are unemployed.

 

[Newboy]

Quite possibly

I'd agree with that part of the debate but how many ARV's do you need and where do you put them to ensure that they are where the atrocity happens - and even then it doesn't stop the first part of the attack (unless all vans drivers who drive badly are to be shot on sight - which might put me at significant risk!)

As far as prevention goes - yes more/better/more effective/better directed has got to be a better use of finite resources but, and it's a big but, what do you do when you suspect somebody of having the potential to commit murder but no laws have been broken?

 

[^woody^]

Nicer and safer.

Nothing will stop people who are ultra-determined to wreak havoc. But more uniforms on the street will have a deterrent effect and if an attack happens, will be more efficient and therefore quicker in dealing with it.

IHNI how many non-deployed military there are in this country, but there must be a fair few what with the TA added into the mix.

Here's a radical thought: bring back NS for all long-term unemployed people who are fit and able to train in the army then employ them to patrol the streets.

So you are talking about turning the UK into a facsimile of all the other goucho third-world second-rate police states, and entrusting any old doley to keep us safe.

And that's how you'd like to live?

And that will stop the local jihadi mowing down 10 people in as many seconds?

 

[blightymam]

I was just think it would help the UK's obesity problem in the young too!

Here's a radical thought: bring back NS for all long-term unemployed people who are fit and able to train in the army then employ them to patrol the streets.

 

[blightymam]

I'd agree with that part of the debate but how many ARV's do you need and where do you put them to ensure that they are where the atrocity happens - and even then it doesn't stop the first part of the attack (unless all vans drivers who drive badly are to be shot on sight - which might put me at significant risk!)

As far as prevention goes - yes more/better/more effective/better directed has got to be a better use of finite resources but, and it's a big but, what do you do when you suspect somebody of having the potential to commit murder but no laws have been broken?

Nothing can be done about those who fly under the radar or against driving vans and suchlike, am sure we all agree, but I cannot see why having more police & counter-terrorism folk is a problem at the moment.

 

[Judy in the sky]

It always sounds to me that you're giving these terrorists justification.

I don't think he is,, however there are those on here who post stuff on here which can be viewed as almost defending these terrorists. (you know who you are)

 

[blightymam]

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[Roger928]

But more uniforms on the street will have a deterrent effect

It will have exactly didly squat deterrent effect. It might put off the local burgular from ransacking yer home or scare off the local street yob.
But as for jihadi murderers going out purposefully to die for allah after killing as many innocent by standers as possible???
pffft

 

[securespark]

what do you do when you suspect somebody of having the potential to commit murder but no laws have been broken?

What the police do at the moment, which is monitor them regularly.

What was that report that said there are so many thousand extremists in this country? We need more police to investigate and monitor these people and we need internment. We need to be a whole lot tougher.