New brexit postage stamps
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Fancy that.
EU: Here are the rules - now its your turn.
UK: Can we have all the benefits of EU membership without actually being a member?
EU: No.
UK: Please
EU: No.
I see what you mean TT.
No. They did not.
Yes they did.
I see the pubs have closed.
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Oh yes they did!
But he was behind her,
waiting to stab her in the back.
But he was behind her,
waiting to stab her in the back.
Wasn't from the DM; got it from the Guardian and the BBC late night news. They give a different slant to the daytime news.
Please show us the demands you claim were made by the EU so we can see if the figure increased
(note that "guesses in the media" are not demands by the EU)
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I believe we have signed up to what commercial lawyers would call "contracting principles". i.e. we have agreed to agree to a blank cheque, we just haven't given them the cheque yet. Our liabilities as per the contracting principles are open ended. So it is both true and untrue that they are demanding more and more. They may do so under the agreed terms.
If it was me - I'd have gone with an early hard brexit, but said, we intend to change as little as possible and will leave it to you to do the same. Its much easier to agree what you want to change than start from scratch. But that is the trap we have fallen in to (possibly with our eyes wide open).
If it was me - I'd have gone with an early hard brexit, but said, we intend to change as little as possible and will leave it to you to do the same. Its much easier to agree what you want to change than start from scratch. But that is the trap we have fallen in to (possibly with our eyes wide open).
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And the Irish border?
The financial commitments made earlier before the referendum?
The loss of 50% of manufacturing output?
The loss of financial services to EU?
The fate of UK migrants in EU, and vice-versa?
The fate of UK airlines?
etc, etc?
A bit irresponsible, do you not think?
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which bit of "change as little as possible and will leave it to you to do the same" didn't you get? I suspect we'll end up in a similar place any way.
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You mean a trade agreement, but without the agreement?
That willl work
Why do the rest of the world not try that?
They could say, we will amend all our legislative arrangements to be the same, then we can all have free trade.
We will not need any court of arbitration because we will all follow the rules.
Any time you change your rules, we will amend ours to suit, but we will not amend ours unless you agree we can.
The fact that we have just reneged on our financial commitments can be forgotten, we will not do it again.
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I think I've tried to discuss negotiation tactics with you before.. Its not a mistake I will make again. It is all about positioning...
Focusing on what you want to change is vastly better than starting out from scratch. Of course its hard to justify why a few small changes need to be so difficult and expensive. Its better to make out that it is you who is asking the earth, ruining everything and our demands for compensation are only fair and reasonable.
If you've ever done business with French firms, you will recognise the style - strict negotiation rules, I'm giving you're asking, decision maker removal (its not possible rather than say no). American firms are very different - its all about getting quickly to the deal.
Focusing on what you want to change is vastly better than starting out from scratch. Of course its hard to justify why a few small changes need to be so difficult and expensive. Its better to make out that it is you who is asking the earth, ruining everything and our demands for compensation are only fair and reasonable.
If you've ever done business with French firms, you will recognise the style - strict negotiation rules, I'm giving you're asking, decision maker removal (its not possible rather than say no). American firms are very different - its all about getting quickly to the deal.
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A gentleman's agreement is a bit hard to swallow when you have just reneged on the financial commitments you had made years before.
A gentlemen's agreement is hard to swallow when you refuse to recognise the existing court of arbitration and want a new one.
A gentlemen's agreement is a bit hard to swallow when you want the benefits of being in the club but do not want to pay the membership fees, but expect all the other members to pay theirs.
This gentlemen's agreement is looking more like a scam.
