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The Genocide hating thread

I still don't understand how people say that criticising Israel is antisemitism. Palestinians are semites too. All Arabs are semites.

Some research brought this up. Interesting, as using the term in the way it is now used, is following the Nazi definition, and not the linquistic and historical one.
  • Linguistic origin: The term "Semite" originated in the 18th century as a linguistic classification for people who speak or spoke Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Hebrew and Arabic, among others.
  • Arabs and Semitic languages: Arabic is a Semitic language, and Arabs are thus considered a Semitic-speaking people.
  • Palestinians and Semitic heritage: Palestinians are an Arab people native to the Levant region of Palestine and their language is Palestinian Arabic, which is a Semitic language. Historically and linguistically, they are also considered a Semitic people.
  • "Antisemitism" and its specific meaning: The term "antisemitism" was coined in the late 19th century in Germany to refer specifically to hostility toward Jews. It was a term used by those who promoted hatred against Jews to give their views a pseudo-scientific basis. While the word's root, "Semite," refers to a broader linguistic group, "antisemitism" in common usage and according to most definitions refers exclusively to hatred of Jews.
Anyway, I've still not seen any hatred towards Jews in recent posts on this forum, only criticism of the Israeli regime for its ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

But no doubt I will be called a leftie hater again just for sharing my opinion.

End war.
Give peace a chance.
 
I think almost all of us can agree that crimes against humanity such as racism, apartheid and genocide are wrong.

It takes a special kind of wicked to pretend that they should not be criticised.
FWIW, the policies such as racism, apartheid and genocide are war crimes when committed within a war scenario.
Otherwise, when committed within a peacetime scenario, they are crimes against humanity.
Just saying.
 

Nazism is the epitome of evil. It’s not suprising that people gravitate to it in hyperbole. Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies, an observation about online discussion, holds that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1” (that is to say it will happen in any discussion eventually). Godwin himself has said of the rule that, “Although [it is] deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust”. This highlights one major problem with the inappropriate use of comparisons to Nazism; they trivialise the reality of the Holocaust.

What the Nazis did was far beyond other genocides (like Darfur). The Palestinian-Israeli conflict, even at its worst, doesn’t come close. The Nazis created an industrialised system to wipe out every last Jew. They moved people across Europe by train just to kill them more efficiently. The horror of the Holocaust goes far deeper than the fact a lot of people died.


Israel Nazis


When used in the context of Jews or Israel, it’s not just a really poor comparison; its use is designed to cause distress to those who survived the Holocaust or who grew up as the children of survivors. It’s like disagreeing with someone eating meat, and knowing they are a rape victim, choosing to make your point by comparing eating meat with rape and saying that someone who had been raped should know better. It’s not just a bad analogy, it’s applying a different standard to someone because they are a victim, making them a victim a second time.
Professor Yehuda Bauer is a leading expert on the Holocaust and the person who gave the address at the UN General Assembly’s first International Holocaust Remembrance Day commemoration (in 2006). He has noted the uniqueness of the Holocaust, saying that while it is important to compare the Holocaust to other genocides, in doing so one must mention that the Holocaust involved the creation of an industry to manufacture corpses. This is what makes it unique in human history. He explains that genocide occurs when one party is overwhelmingly powerful, and the targeted victim is nearly or totally powerless. He says “the Palestinians cannot overcome Israel with terrorism or rockets, nor can Israel annihilate the Palestinian population; it remains a bloody and difficult conflict, but not a genocide.” Please do read his paper.

The Working Definition of Antisemitism gives as one example of antisemitism “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”. The definition was created in 2004 by the European Union Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC), now known as the Fundamental Rights Agency of the European Union. It has received widespread international use, for example in its adopted by the US Government for the State Department Report on antisemitism, and in its adoption by the British Police as part of their Hate Crimes Operations Guide. The London Declaration of the Inter-Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Antisemitism, signed by members of Parliament from around the world, including Australia, also adopts the Working Definition and encourages its widespread use.

There are plenty of ways describe something as bad. There is no need to make a poor analogy by invoking the Holocaust. To do so specifically because the target is Jewish, or the Jewish state (i.e. Israel), is to use that identity as grounds for attacking. That is almost a definition of racism; using someone’s identity as a basis to attack them. Comparing Israeli policy to that of the Nazis, calling Israel a Nazi state, or saying Jews should know better and not behave like Nazis are all forms of the same racist attack. This needs to be called out.
The article you've linked to is an opinion piece and was written by an Australian Jew. As a computer technician, He is extremely active in his promotion of Jewry.

Dr Andre Oboler​

Dr Andre Oboler
Dr Andre Oboler is CEO of the Online Hate Prevention Institute. He also serves as a Vice President of the IEEE Computer Society, a member of the Australian Government’s delegation to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

He previously served as a co-chair of the Global Forum for Combating Antisemitism, and as co-chair of its working group on Antisemitism on the Internet and in the Media. He also served an expert to the Inter-parliamentary Coalition for Combating Antisemitism and as an expert adviser to a government inquiry into antisemitism in schools. He served for three years as a Distinguished Visitor for the IEEE Computer Society. Within the Jewish community he served as a member of the executive of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria and as a Counsellor on the Executive Council of Australian Jewry.

You must have searched hard and long to find that, and it's purely his opinion.
It doesn't make it factual.

His first sentence illustrates the difference in comparing Jews with Nazis, which is wrong, and comparing the actions of Israel with the actions of the Nazi regime in WW2, which is acceptable.
Nazism is the epitome of evil. (Ideology) my insertion.
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The Nazis created an industrialised system to wipe out every last Jew. (actions) my insertion.

Nazism is a political ideology. It does not describe the actions of that regime.
The comparison between the actions of Nazis and the actions of Israel, refers to the actions. It does not compare the ideology of Nazism with Jewish ideology, if there such a thing, which I doubt.
There is a Zionist ideology.

it might be, it probably is, fair to compare the ideology of Nazism with Zionism, in the single policy of Nazis wanting to create a race of pure Aryanism, and Zionists want to create a nation of pure Jewishness.
But no-one os doing that.

Nazism sought to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous German society based on racial purity.

Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.
 
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You clearly did.
Israel are committing widespread atrocities on a group of people effectively corralled into a small area.

Fillyboy hates people comparing it to another group who did this….because Filly knows it’s true.
 
Why do you think there is a possibility the forum could be shut down?
Lots of people get shut down for telling the truth about Israel

Israel has lots of powerful friends around the world and it will not tolerate anybody telling the truth.





 
It’s almost like those who can’t see the obvious Jew hating hate speech on this forum are worried that their posts are being viewed and want to pretend the hate speech isn’t hate speech.
 
6,000,000?

30,000?

Sorry, I'm not quite understanding the comparison.
Another typo?
Are your typos becoming intentional?

It's not about the numbers, it's about the principle of genocide, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing.
It doesn't matter if it's 6 or 6,000,000, it's a war crime, genocide, and ethnic cleansing.
 
It’s almost like those who can’t see the obvious Jew hating hate speech on this forum are worried that their posts are being viewed and want to pretend the hate speech isn’t hate speech.
Quite the reverse, none of the posts that you claim are anti Semitic have been edited, voluntarily deleted, or denied.
AFAIK all those posts that you claim are anti Semitic have been reinforced by the authors.
 
Partial post, click on link for full story. It doesn't claim that no children have been killed by the IDF, they are at war after all. But there is at least one account, with names and witnesses provided where a Palestinian child was shot by Hamas. Nothing is as clear cut as some people think,.


After doctors accuse Israel of shooting Gazan kids, experts see need for a second opinion​

The evidence behind a New York Times essay suggesting troops targeted children is less clear-cut than it seems, and there is reason to question the piece’s scathingly anti-IDF author​


On January 30, as Israeli and Thai hostages were being released from Hamas captivity amid chaotic mobs, John Spencer, a leading international expert on urban warfare, watched the proceedings while focusing on one specific detail: the weapons held by Hamas gunmen.

“They were carrying M16 and M4 rifles which use 5.56 mm bullets, the same rifles that Israeli soldiers use,” Spencer told The Times of Israel by email.

To Spencer, head of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point in the US, the terrorists’ use of the same weapon as the IDF cast serious doubts on the allegation made in an essay in The New York Times three months earlier implying that Israeli soldiers were deliberately targeting children during the 15-month Gaza war.

Attached to the essay were X-ray pictures appearing to show 5.56-millimeter rounds lodged in children’s heads and necks.

“It could be that the terrorists were shooting the children,” Spencer said.

Hamas has a long history of exploiting and harming minors, as well as noncombatant adults, to advance its political goals—through tactics such as training children as suicide bombers and soldiers, forcing them to construct tunnels in perilous conditions, using them as human shields, or intentionally killing them.

Over months of war, as Gaza’s civilians have been brutalized and displaced by deadly crossfire, Israel has been nearly universally blamed as the aggressor, repeatedly tarred in cases where there is little evidence beyond the reality of fighting. In some instances, however, the facts show that Hamas or other Gazan terror groups are actually to blame.

Perhaps the most well-known such incident occurred in the opening weeks of the war, when an Islamic Jihad rocket slammed into Gaza’s Al-Ahli Hospital, killing scores of people. With no evidence but the claims of Hamas officials, Israel was still widely blamed for both the attack and a wildly inflated death toll.

Other cases, though, are less clear-cut, like that of Ahmed Shaddad Halmy Brikeh, a 13-year-old boy who appeared on the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry’s monthly fatality list as a victim of “Israeli aggression” in August.

But nine months earlier, Brikeh’s cousin reported online that the teen was shot dead by Hamas gunmen while trying to obtain food from a humanitarian aid shipment.

“He was killed by a shot in the head,” the cousin wrote on December 24, 2023.

Throughout the war, Hamas has repeatedly been found to use civilians as human shields, and to hide military infrastructure in hospitals and humanitarian facilities. Israel says the cynical strategy has put the lives of innocent Gazans at risk as it fights Hamas, a key factor in turning the tide of international public opinion against Israel.

“Hamas wants every and anybody who died to be counted as Israel’s fault, including killing people themselves,” Spencer said.

‘Insane to make definitive statement’​

The IDF began its military operations in Gaza after the Hamas-led massacre on October 7, 2023, when over 5,000 terrorists stormed across the border into Israel, murdering 1,200 people and taking 251 hostages, while carrying out other atrocities including rape and torture.

According to data released by the Israel National Council for the Child, 38 children were killed during the Hamas-led terrorist onslaught in southern Israel. Three of those children were under the age of 3, and another four were under 6. Some were shot to death at close range or burned alive while trying to hide from the marauders.

In contrast, there have been no reliable direct accounts of Israeli soldiers deliberately targeting Gazan children, though many have been killed unintentionally.

Nonetheless, foreign doctors volunteering in Gaza have repeatedly accused Israeli soldiers of systematically targeting children in response to kids being brought to hospitals with single bullet wounds to the head or chest.

In April 2024 and again in October, the doctors were given high-profile platforms in the Guardian and New York Times to lay out the accusations, though they only had secondhand knowledge of the circumstances of the shooting and incomplete forensic evidence.

“That is the insanity of making a definitive statement that any child with a gunshot wound was shot purposefully by an IDF soldier when there are many other possibilities and no way to know who shot the kid or what was the context of the injury,” said Spencer.

In The New York Times on October 9, 2024, Dr. Feroze Sidhwa wrote in an opinion piece that while volunteering at the European Hospital in Gaza in February and April last year, he saw 13 children who had been shot in the head or the chest.

“At the time, I assumed this had to be the work of a particularly sadistic soldier located nearby,” the California-based surgeon wrote in the op-ed, which gathered the experiences of 65 volunteer medical staff in Gaza.

While the piece does not explicitly accuse Israel of targeting children, the newspaper said it still reached out to the IDF for comment, which “responded with a statement that did not directly answer whether or not the military had investigated reports of shootings of preteen children, or if any disciplinary action had been taken against soldiers for firing at children.”
The times of Israel? No thanks.
 
The GD isn’t the nicest place at times. But lately it’s a pathetic pi55ing competition, an all time low.

Its easy to see which side the site owner leans to!
 
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