The Peoples Party

[Bodd]

The People's Party?

Clearly then some people are stupid!

 

[JP_]

Clearly then some people are stupid!

In this black and white world we live in now, around 50% of people are stupid at any one time, in the opinion of the other 50%

Whether you fall in the stupid group or not is determined by:

1. which way the wind is blowing
2. whether there is an a in the month, or not
3. cheese
4. what's playing on the radio

It's really very simple.

 

[Dangee]

Don’t call Elle it....she won’t be happy.
Actually, nothing new there then

 

[Notch7]

In this black and white world we live in now, around 50% of people are stupid at any one time, in the opinion of the other 50%

Whether you fall in the stupid group or not is determined by:

1. which way the wind is blowing
2. whether there is an a in the month, or not
3. cheese
4. what's playing on the radio

It's really very simple.

Our politicians deliberately fuels tribalism because it prevents real debate.

Look at USA....republicans say "if you vote democrat you will be letting in communists"

 

[ReganAndCarter]

when Tony Blair quit he knew the writing was on the wall for the economy, leaving Gordon Brown 3 years to lead the labour party, unfortunately in 2008 the UK financial crisis happened, and things went a bit pete tong.

I still get a belly laugh at that. Gordo banging on about being the party that abolished boom and bust. Suppose he was partly right as they presided over bust and bust.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

, and seem to discount what their constituents are telling them.

Yes, the Bath pub landlord. People like him are the backbone of this country, and after more than a year of Corona, the bloke was desperate. Starmer telling him not to lecture him was atrocious. So out of touch with real people.

 

[Mottie]

Yes, the Bath pub landlord. People like him are the backbone of this country, and after more than a year of Corona, the bloke was desperate. Starmer telling him not to lecture him was atrocious. So out of touch with real people.

Spot on there. I thought that the minute Starmer said it. I can remember saying to Mrs Mottie something like "Who the f*** does he think he is telling that poor bloke not to lecture him, he's obviously very upset"? Didn’t try to reason or debate with him. Not an ounce of compassion for the working man.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Blimey starmer loses a bye election and some waste of space councils and there is talk in the party for a new leader

***t happens tis politics

things are likely to get worse before they get better

Had all this in fighting when Callaghan lost a general election

militant tendency / Hatton
Michael foot

they need to get a grip ffs

this is the UK not some banana republic like F*****

I see transam can't help himself. Definitely a case of Tourette's. Transam has an uncontrollable urge to blurt out racist comments.

 

[Vinty]

Our politicians deliberately fuels tribalism because it prevents real debate.

Look at USA....republicans say "if you vote democrat you will be letting in communists"

Old style communism is dead.
I'm surprised people still fall for that old pony and trap.

 

[SirGalahad]

This seems to be a fair definition of the original and current meanings.

Of course, if the computor had a search engine, anyone could look it up for themselves.

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See I am confused here. Why are you using the current or new meaning of the term "woke"? You have made it clear that society has changed the meaning of words and we should as often as possible use the correct meaning.

 

[SirGalahad]

when Tony Blair quit he knew the writing was on the wall for the economy, leaving Gordon Brown 3 years to lead the labour party, unfortunately in 2008 the UK financial crisis happened, and things went a bit pete tong.

Labours policies came under intense scrutiny, and many working class folke felt betrayed, and wanted something different. Enter the Conservative/liberal democrat era, people wanted change away from labour but wasnt to sure if the conservatives were the right party to back, hence the coalition.

The coalition did lib dems no favours whatso ever, they u-turned on all of their policies, leadership was weak against cameron. so next election people realised the lib dems were the nothing party they always have been,

then labour put forward Ed Miliband, who was seen by the public as a bit of a weirdo (Ed's brother was the one who should have led the party), and lost the election to cameron, Corbyn went far left and his appreciation of terrorist organisations just couldnt be removed from the limelight, and the party became more hardcore left wing

Corbyn entered the ring for labour, and was a crock of poop from the off, no clear set goals or agendas, always wishy washy and opinion changed with the wind as to which he felt the public wanted to hear. coupled with that moron Abbott at his side and a few other largely incompetent labour members who appear to have disdain for britain and its values and heritage, (remember the comment from Emma Thornbury regarding english george cross flags?).

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brexit happened, cameron went, May stepped in, decided to have an election to give her longer in charge, but lost her majority and ballsed it all up meaning brexit took forever. in the meantime labour showed disdain for the general public and debates often ended with leftist screaming over the top of opposition

may was an incompetent disaster poor at negotiating, poor at managing her party, the opposition parties kept the UK in limbo for far longer than it needed to be, meaning UK investment was put on hold, affecting many peoples lives.

Labour continues it's disdain for the general public even though they have supposed started a new era in Starmer, the quote by a labour leader summed up there contempt for the joe public, by saying it was their voters that let them down.

throughout all of the above labour have consistently put unelectable muppets as the opposition meaning the general public feel they have no choice but to vote for tory, many people dont want to, myself included vote for tory, but the opposition have been far to weak, Starmer hasnt capitalised on the Tory shenanigans of the past year, he has spent most of the year hiding under a rock, with 1 or 2 excellent displays.

There is no doubt starmer can outwit BOJO so why has he not done so more often?

Starmers team aren't dynamic, nor interesting to listen to, and seem to discount what their constituents are telling them.

So yes it is labours fault. It's labours fault for not doing more to avoid the banking collapse, and it's labours fault for not fielding better opossition.

I agree with parts of what you say but others not so much.

How have you come to that conclusion? What writing was on the wall?

Blair left on 24th June 2007, GDP growth was 2.4% and 2.7% in 2006 and 3.1% in 2005.

Unemployment was 5.26% in 2007 and 5.35% in 2006.

You argue that the oppostion held the Government back - but isn't that the role of the oppostion - to oppose. You cannot criticise them for doing what they are in opposition to do - ie oppose.

You fail to mention that May signed the article 50 prior to having a defined plan or position in place.

There perhaps is an argument to be had that there is some level of disdain for the general public by Labour - but what about the Tories disdain for 130k lives lost? The asuterity cuts leading to 120k extra lives lost, the lack of investment up north?

If you argue the oppostion is weak (I agree) then you are also arguing that the oppostion against May was strong - it seem they are damned either way.

It's a conceit that people use the argument if the oppostion was stronger they would vote for them - so by default they have to vote Tory. That makes no sense - if you neither like Tory or Labour then do not vote for either.

As to the Banking collapse - what could they have done more to avoid a global crisis? What specific things?

Again, it's this conceit that it's labour fault you have to vote this way. You are not forced to vote in any way - you can not vote if you chose to do so.

 

[ellal]

In this black and white world we live in now, around 50% of people are stupid at any one time, in the opinion of the other 50%

Could you tell us when a single political party last got 50% of the vote in a general election in the UK?

 

[JP_]

Could you tell us when a single political party last got 50% of the vote in a general election in the UK?

No.

 

[ellal]

No.

So by your definition, more than 50% of the electorate are stupid?

 

[JP_]

So by your definition, more than 50% of the electorate are stupid?

It wasn't a definition, it was an observation. And it wasn't what you might call a serious one built on hard stats. Seems it went over your head, consider yourself in the 50%