The power of propaganda.

[mikeey84]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Most of the factory managers I've met pay the same salary for low skilled jobs, and always have. If someone from Poland can do it better and faster with less moaning, for the same money, why wouldn't you hire them? It's not the polish (or Syrian, or Romanian etc) persons fault that they want to work hard, and provide for theirw family. I'd be on the first boat to wherever if the situations were reversed, and you'd be lying or a fool if you don't feel the same

 

[EFLImpudence]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Okay, so how do you go about making sure someone is paid properly, as you put it?

Well, for a start, if the wages are such that tax credit is paid, then the wages are TOO LOW.

This is subsidising business by the tax payers who do have a reasonable wage.

 

[joe-90]

What if the worker has a wife and eight kids at home? The minimum wage would have to be £25 per hour.

 

[EFLImpudence]

That depends if you want to subsidise breeding.

A couple of kids and a fiver an hour?

 

[vinty]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Okay, so how do you go about making sure someone is paid properly, as you put it?

How about a minimum wage.
If the minimum wage rises the taxpayer then pays out less in tax credits.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Okay, so how do you go about making sure someone is paid properly, as you put it?

How about a minimum wage.
If the minimum wage rises the taxpayer then pays out less in tax credits.

You still haven't answered my question. We do have a minimum wage. Okay, so let's increase that. Then the strawberry farmer cannot sell his produce. So he no longer employs pickers. So there are now no jobs. Well, okay, so the work shy can now legitimately claim they cannot find work.

Basically wasters have to get off their fat backsides, get work, get trained, and contribute.

 

[EFLImpudence]

We can afford to pay more for strawberries because of the reduced income tax (subsidy).

It may work out the same in the end but it is fairer because you don't HAVE to buy strawberries.



A similar analogy is giving older pensioners free tv licences.

Why not raise the pension by £145.50 p.a. and then they can choose to spend it on tv or not.

 

[sooey]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Okay, so how do you go about making sure someone is paid properly, as you put it?

How about a minimum wage.
If the minimum wage rises the taxpayer then pays out less in tax credits.

You still haven't answered my question. We do have a minimum wage. Okay, so let's increase that. Then the strawberry farmer cannot sell his produce. So he no longer employs pickers. So there are now no jobs. Well, okay, so the work shy can now legitimately claim they cannot find work.

Basically wasters have to get off their fat backsides, get work, get trained, and contribute.

I would start by not importing cheap foreign labour to skew the national labour market against the national population and then let wages find their natural level.
If there is a demand the strawberry farmer will sell his gear, if there isn't, no more strawberry's.
And yes, if wages were at a reasonable level, people would be more able to afford luxury items, like strawberry's.
btw whatever did we do for strawberries before we started importing all the low wage foreigners?

 

[noseall]

I pay people what they are worth. Money makes people do extraordinary things.

 

[joe-90]

Do you mean it loosens their knicker elastic?

 

[sooey]

We don't want to hear about your rentboys noseall.

 

[noseall]

We don't want to hear about your rentboys noseall.

They're good workers.

 

[joe-90]

Good w*nkers?

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

It goes without saying that workshy scroungers should be made to work. But anyone who does work should be paid properly for it, not forced to compete with a workforce that's been brought in to work for buttons.

Okay, so how do you go about making sure someone is paid properly, as you put it?

How about a minimum wage.
If the minimum wage rises the taxpayer then pays out less in tax credits.

You still haven't answered my question. We do have a minimum wage. Okay, so let's increase that. Then the strawberry farmer cannot sell his produce. So he no longer employs pickers. So there are now no jobs. Well, okay, so the work shy can now legitimately claim they cannot find work.

Basically wasters have to get off their fat backsides, get work, get trained, and contribute.

I would start by not importing cheap foreign labour to skew the national labour market against the national population and then let wages find their natural level.
If there is a demand the strawberry farmer will sell his gear, if there isn't, no more strawberry's.
And yes, if wages were at a reasonable level, people would be more able to afford luxury items, like strawberry's.
btw whatever did we do for strawberries before we started importing all the low wage foreigners?

So, you would pay more for British strawberries? Most people buy on price, and buy foreign if it is noticeably cheaper. That is why the British shoe industry in Northamptonshire collapsed, and textiles in Leicester collapsed. As regards imports, we now get a lot more imported fruit and veg, due to more countries in the EU, and cheap transport costs. Oddly strawberries might survive higher wages because they are delicate, but raspberries, apples, cherries, carrots etc won't because they travel well.

Given that fair trade goods survive, British farmers might benefit from a Living Wage label on produce, so when people pay more, they know why. But at present, that aint the case. You might have noticed UK farmers selling milk at below cost price.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

We can afford to pay more for strawberries because of the reduced income tax (subsidy).

It may work out the same in the end but it is fairer because you don't HAVE to buy strawberries.



A similar analogy is giving older pensioners free tv licences.

Why not raise the pension by £145.50 p.a. and then they can choose to spend it on tv or not.

So why are farmers selling milk at below cost?