Tony Blair is now Sir Tony.

[AngleEyes]

brexit has meant an exodus of workers.

your Brexit vote means crops rotting in fields, pigs having to be shot…..and thus more reliance on the EU.

oh and the govt is now having to encourage more migrants to work here, so we get thousands and thousands of people from Asia instead of EU workers.

I salute your attempts to educate the pig ignorant, Notch7.
But, to me, their entrenched beliefs suggests they are beyond education.

 

[Diver Fred]

I fail to see how the 2 are connected.
many other EU nations imposed transitional arrangements.

If you are interested in facts, the reality is EU workers were an overall benefit to the UK.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....s/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/


“Government data shows that EEA nationals pay more in income taxes and national insurance contributions than they receive in tax credits and child benefit”

My career caused me to work in around half the EU countries including Norway between 2000 to 2014; I saw the benefits of the EU and also the disadvantages - for me the advantages outweighed the disadvantages -

therefore I voted to remain.

I still believe we would be better off in the EU. I have said that I think the UK will asking to be let back in in around 10 to 20 years time - if we are allowed in then the terms won't be as good - e.g. we will have to use the Euro so loose the £.

However it is my understanding that the UK was the only 'old' EU country that did not put in place the transitional arrangements for migration from the 'new' eight. That caused many UK residents, including many Labour supporters, at best disquiet, at worse anger at the EU rather than the UK government. Even Blair has admitted he made a mistake over that policy.

Most, all(?) UK governments only act for 'today' (i.e. not beyond the next election) and do not consider the long term effects of their policy changes.

I don't dispute that migrant workers did make a positive difference.

 

[BlueLoo]

I live in the EU.

Great for small countries.

But i think the UK did the right thing to leave.

Putting all of the technical arguments aside, the reaction of the EU to the UK leaving was proof enough.

The UK would never fit into a European super state.

 

[AngleEyes]

In his desperation to be President of the EU did not apply the restrictions to the migration of peoples from the ' New Eight' countries that raised the demand for the referendum on remaining/leaving the EU.
That did more long term damage to the UK than any other government before.

I don't dispute that migrant workers did make a positive difference.

Did I misunderstand your first comment, or was that a faster U turn than Stigg in a Lotus 7?

 

[AngleEyes]

Putting all of the technical arguments aside, the reaction of the EU to the UK leaving was proof enough.

What reaction do you think there was?

The UK would never fit into a European super state.

Sovereignty
It's like saying Texas would never fit into the USA. (UK is less than ½ the size of Texas.)

Please explain your idea of this European super state. (Although I know you really mean a EU super state, but if you can't get your terminology correct, what hope is there of you getting anything else correct?)

 

[Ihavenojob]

Petition · Tony Blair to have his "Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter" rescinded · Change.org

 

[noseall]

Tony's knighthood is safe. The silence from the current crop of Tory MP's is deafening. They dare not speak out against someone as innocent as Tony - rightly so.

 

[transam]

well true to form

I did not get any recognition in the honours list , not so much as a thank you very much transam

 

[Dad'n'lad]

Tony's knighthood is safe. The silence from the current crop of Tory MP's is deafening. They dare not speak out against someone as innocent as Tony - rightly so.

haha, typical socialist. What you could have said, is, "well done to the elected Government for not trying to gain any political advantage"
instead, you try to slant it with, they've done some things wrong themselves so they better not say anything.
When the opposition ( very loose term ) has something coherent and relevant to say, that will improve things, instead of just saying the opposite of the tories, i will listen.
Labour have won 8 out of 28 General Elections since 1918. Iv'e no doubt, just like with the Brexit vote, that the average labour voter will say that the majority were wrong.

 

[Vinty]

Yes Blair got it wrong on the WMD

Big difference between getting 'it wrong' and presenting the case for war, as one of necessity rather than one of choice.

 

[transam]

noseall is no socialist he is an oppurtunist he will get his snout in the trough with who ever greases his palm

 

[AngleEyes]

haha, typical socialist. What you could have said, is, "well done to the elected Government for not trying to gain any political advantage"
instead, you try to slant it with, they've done some things wrong themselves so they better not say anything.
When the opposition ( very loose term ) has something coherent and relevant to say, that will improve things, instead of just saying the opposite of the tories, i will listen.
Labour have won 8 out of 28 General Elections since 1918. Iv'e no doubt, just like with the Brexit vote, that the average labour voter will say that the majority were wrong.

Big difference between getting 'it wrong' and presenting the case for war, as one of necessity rather than one of choice.

And a Labour PM was responsible for just one conflict:

The past 100 years have seen two world wars, large-scale conflicts in Korea and Iraq, and small-scale actions in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. There have been punitive operations in defence of empire, cold war operations, post-9/11 support for the US, and the Troubles in Ireland.

No other country, even those with similarly militaristic traditions, has been engaged continuously over such a long span. Even during 1968, a year often hailed by members of the British armed forces and some military historians as a year of peace, there was fighting.

The timeline of constant combat may stretch even further back, given Britain's imperial engagements, all the way to the creation of the British army in 1707.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/11/british-forces-century-warfare-end



Britain's 100 years of conflict
British forces are set to withdraw from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. If 2015 is a year of peace for the UK, it will be the first for at least 100 years. Here the Guardian charts every conflict in which British forces have engaged since 1914
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2014/feb/11/britain-100-years-of-conflict​

 

[Notch7]

Big difference between getting 'it wrong' and presenting the case for war, as one of necessity rather than one of choice.

So what’s your real reason for hating Blair so much…..it’s nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with Ireland

 

[gas112]

And a Labour PM was responsible for just one conflict:

The past 100 years have seen two world wars, large-scale conflicts in Korea and Iraq, and small-scale actions in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. There have been punitive operations in defence of empire, cold war operations, post-9/11 support for the US, and the Troubles in Ireland.

No other country, even those with similarly militaristic traditions, has been engaged continuously over such a long span. Even during 1968, a year often hailed by members of the British armed forces and some military historians as a year of peace, there was fighting.

The timeline of constant combat may stretch even further back, given Britain's imperial engagements, all the way to the creation of the British army in 1707.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/11/british-forces-century-warfare-end



Britain's 100 years of conflict
British forces are set to withdraw from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. If 2015 is a year of peace for the UK, it will be the first for at least 100 years. Here the Guardian charts every conflict in which British forces have engaged since 1914
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2014/feb/11/britain-100-years-of-conflict​

So are you attempting to imply the tories have been responsible for everything else this country has been involved in over the past 100 years ?

 

[AngleEyes]

So are you attempting to imply the tories have been responsible for everything else this country has been involved in over the past 100 years ?

I think there's been just 6 Labour PM's in the last 100 years, and for well before that.
So that's thirty-six years of a Labour PM, and the rest, stretching back into history has been Tory, Whigs or Liberal (which were basically right-wing Tories).
So I'm not attempting to imply anything other than the Tories (or other names of similar parties) have been in power for the vast majority of UK's history.
We are where we are thanks to, and we're responsible for what we've done, in the main, to Tory party policies and PMs.