Climate change.

Bloody farmers ehh, If it's too wet, the price of their crops go up. If it's too dry, the price goes up. If it's too cold the price goes up . If it's too warm, the price goes up.
Aye, whatever the weather, the price o their bloody subsidies from the EU go up. (whether they plant crops, or not.
It's one of the biggest cons going .
 
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All weather comes from the ocean - surely you know that much? :confused:

Ahh I see, if there was no sun, then we'd still have "weather " Yur no half daft Joe,,, Yur completely daft.

I now expect a complete and utter denial that ye posted this piece of unscientific rubbish,. (or a statement that we don't understand you) ;)

Sorry mate, not worthy of a reply. You are clearly an uneducated oaf. :rolleyes:
 
It isn't that winters have been getting colder of late; it's that until recently, we had a series of relatively mild winters. Winters now are coming back on course for how they have always been in this country.

Until fairly recently, some younger children had never seen snow, and many younger car drivers had no experience of driving in snow and ice.

Now the weather is getting back to normal; there's nothing unusual about it, except in scientist's heads, and gullable people who are taken in.

Rubbish!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991.

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.


The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

Fen skating, once a popular sport on the fields of East Anglia, now takes place on indoor artificial rinks. Malcolm Robinson, of the Fenland Indoor Speed Skating Club in Peterborough, says they have not skated outside since 1997. "As a boy, I can remember being on ice most winters. Now it's few and far between," he said.

Michael Jeacock, a Cambridgeshire local historian, added that a generation was growing up "without experiencing one of the greatest joys and privileges of living in this part of the world - open-air skating".

Warmer winters have significant environmental and economic implications, and a wide range of research indicates that pests and plant diseases, usually killed back by sharp frosts, are likely to flourish. But very little research has been done on the cultural implications of climate change - into the possibility, for example, that our notion of Christmas might have to shift.

Professor Jarich Oosten, an anthropologist at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, says that even if we no longer see snow, it will remain culturally important.

"We don't really have wolves in Europe any more, but they are still an important part of our culture and everyone knows what they look like," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sortof heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".

Not any more, it seems.
 
Sisley was French and usually painted French scenes.
 
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If it says so in the Independant, it must be true.

Just like it said that we were all going to be wiped out by AIDS/swine flu/bird flu/Legionaires disease/SARS/mad-cow disease etc.
 
This years winter lasted until June.

And in 1947 there was still snow in some north-facing hollows in the hills.
There is also film from that winter of desperate farmers trying to lift root crops from the frozen ground using pneumatic drills. People then didn't seem to be complaining about climate change.

Your anecdote about the farmer is of course very sad, and no-one would deny farmers sympathy for failed crops. However, the human aspect of that story - and no doubt many others like it - should not detract from an objective view of what is happening to the climate. Science depends on data which ultimately has to be interpreted by human beings, and therein lies the problem. A much, much longer-term view of the climate would put small-scale changes in true perspective.

You can't compare 1947 to now. That happened in January and didn't affect crop harvest. People could still gather the harvest back then with horses and pitch forks and still have time to talk about the weather.
If we did that today you would probably be starving.

What were seeing now is affecting crop harvest drastically. And all over the world. Even with the vast array of huge machinery that is available.
Nature is always one step ahead. You can dismiss the scientists but you can't dismiss nature.
 
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Chinese sulphur emissions are masking it.
They form an aerosol and help clouds form, thus increasing the amount of solar radiation that is reflected away from Earth. Thus, they contribute to a cooling trend.

So basically what's happening right now is that one type of emission is partially counteracting the effects of another type.
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Don't be taken in by this. It's a ruse by the climatologists to make excuses when the data doesn't support their argument.
In effect, when they say average temperatures are going up - but in reality they are not - they concoct some excuse. They say temperatures would be
going up if it wasn't for all the cows farting/patio heaters/odours from Indian takeaways or whatever.
That's what climatologists do - cherry pick statistics. The reduction of atmospheric sulphur between the mid 1970s and about 2000 was much greater than the small increase over the last 6 years. So if the recent increase is causing cooling (masking the effects of CO2) then the 1970s-2000 period should have caused a significant part (if not all) of any warming that occurred.
 
Statistics don't matter. What matters is the ice caps are melting. Species of flower and types of fungus grow here that are temperature intolerant, and types of bugs are found here that weren't a few decades ago.

Explain those. (he won't).
 
Statistics don't matter. .

Statistics do matter, but it's how they are interpreted that is crucial. Some so-called scientists take into account data which supports their premise,
and disregard the inconvenient data which doesn't. That's not science, it's quackery.

The ice caps may well be melting but I wouldn't know - I haven't checked the thickness today. But I would deny point blank that we know conclusively that this is caused by man's activities; today's 'experts' are tomorrows fools.

Plants and animals are adaptable and will gradually acclimatize to different temperature conditions.
 
There is no other influence. Either it's man's activity or it's magic. Take your pick.
 
If we eliminate magic, you are then saying that the climate is only influenced by man's activities.
So what influenced it before industrialization?
Nothing stays the same - the only constant is change. Things ebb and flow and the earth and it's biosphere will still be changing long after man has disappeared.
 
All of the past changes are attributable to the earths wobble, major volcanic eruptions etc. Today we can measure all outside influences - but nothing accounts for the climate change we are seeing. Why can't you see that?

You are saying that it's 'magic'.
 
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