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My current heat only boiler (S plan with unvented cylinder) is on its last legs.

I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on an Intergas Eco RF 30 which would be configured to either heat only or system.

I'm wanting it to run with Evohome / open therm. Am I better off waiting? Do we have a time scale yet for release?
 
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I've posted it above, have you worn google out for the day??
I just did a Google(*) and lo-and-behold! This one works for Intergas. You are not a very good salesman. You should not insult people. I wondered why they all jumped down the throats of people who mention their direct competitor, Ferroli Modena - which is actually better. Until their HRX comes out, and we see the specs, the Ferroli is the better boiler, clearly better laid out, and better priced.

(*) They don't like Google as it can show them up. :LOL:
 
I do believe the Intergas can clog up the condensate trap as the aluminium heat exchanger forms a sludge.
 
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I do believe the Intergas can clog up the condensate trap as the aluminium heat exchanger form a sludge.

Poor servicing procedures can lead to this on the Rapid. But it is impossible on the Eco RF and HRE.

Where are these people with superior knowledge and education of which you speak? If you are referring to you and Bernard then you're having a laugh :LOL:

Since when have statements of fact been abuse? ;)

By the way.... Where's Bernie gone? He was so cock sure that the boiler could fail to danger in hot water mode.... Seems he has sloped off again.


Deary me.
 
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I just did a Google(*) and lo-and-behold! This one works for Intergas. You are not a very good salesman. You should not insult people. I wondered why they all jumped down the throats of people who mention their direct competitor, Ferroli Modena - which is actually better. Until their HRX comes out, and we see the specs, the Ferroli is the better boiler, clearly better laid out, and better priced.

(*) They don't like Google as it can show them up. :LOL:

It's no secret on here that I work for intergas and if you reread the thread you will find that I've insulted no one.

Not even a total coont like you :)

Im not a salesman I'm one of the engineers and I didn't pass comment on the Modena. It's actually not a terrible boiler compared to their recent efforts but the back up is crap and it's not in the same league as you'd know if you truly had an engineering background

I think if anyone can be bothered to travel through the thread it's obviously that you've made statement after statement that have been proven wrong but you're far too stupid to accept facts
 
It's no secret on here that I work for intergas and if you reread the thread you will find that I've insulted no one.

Not even a total coont like you :)

Im not a salesman I'm one of the engineers and I didn't pass comment on the Modena. It's actually not a terrible boiler compared to their recent efforts but the back up is crap and it's not in the same league as you'd know if you truly had an engineering background

I think if anyone can be bothered to travel through the thread it's obviously that you've made statement after statement that have been proven wrong but you're far too stupid to accept facts


Since when have facts, common sense and experience got in the way of a Googleeer Troll session?
 
Poor servicing procedures can lead to this on the Rapid. But it is impossible on the Eco RF and HRE.
Deary me.
Don't they use the same heat exchanger? If they do then they will all produce the sludge. The new boiler with a new, and overdue, heat exchanger is not on sale in the UK yet (I Googled that - amazing is it? :) ). Deary me, Mr Robinson is unaware of his attitude and obsession with one maker. Therapy can sort it out.
 
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SEDBUK and ErP are meaningless but that's what people look for as it's all they have.

So true. And without details of how the actual measurements are made the measured efficiency may have very little relationship to efficiency achievable in real life use.

These extracts are taken from BS 845 which does not necessarily apply to domestic boilers but does BS 303 ( or any other applicable standard ) also require a steady state condition has been reached before testing can begin. ?

5.1 General
Tests shall be carried out whilst the boiler is fired continuously under steady state conditions established prior to the test (see 5.2).

The most important variables are the exit gas temperature and the CO2 or O2 content of the exit gases. It is therefore essential that tests are conducted
only after steady state conditions have been achieved.

5.2.2 For the purposes of this standard, steady state conditions shall be deemed to have been reached, for solid fuel fired boilers with continuous fuel and ash flows and for liquid and gaseous fuel fired boilers, when over a period of 1 h immediately before the test, drift in exit gas temperature does not exceed ± 10 K/h from the mean value.

Maybe someone with immediate access to BS 303 can extract and post the conditions required for the measurement of boiler efficiency.

A combi boiler supplying hot water will not achieve a steady state condition ( the condition in which it's efficiency was measured ) for several seconds or even minutes. The time to reach a steady state will depend on many factors including the thermal mass of the heat exchanger. A boiler that uses a heat exchanger with a large thermal mass may be extremely efficient when it reaches a steady state condition. The energy used in raising of the mass of the heat exchanger to the steady state condition is excluded from the efficiency measurements as is the heat lost as the heat exhanger cools down after measuring has been concluded.


The rest of BS 845 makes interesting reading. SEDBUK values determined for a boiler in the UK can be altered by applying conversion factors to produce a different SEDB for the same boiler when it is installed in other countries with different climates. So a manufacturer only needs to have a boiler tested in one country and then massage the SEDB figures to get effciency ratings in other countries. The conversion factors are calaculated based on climate.
 
Don't they use the same heat exchanger? If they do then they will all produce the sludge. The new boiler with news, and overdue, heart exchanger is not ion sale in the UK yet (I Googled that - amazing is it? :) ). Deary me, Mr Robinson is unaware of his attitude and obsession with one maker. Therapy can sort it out.


Keep on googling. You'll get there eventually.
 
It's no secret on here that I work for intergas and if you reread the thread you will find that I've insulted no one.

Not even a total coont like you :)
You and Robinson are enough to put people off Intergas. Well you put me off. A relative up country emailed and wanted a recommend on a replacement boiler in Spring, with me directing him to a Ferroli 38C. He emailed a few days back. Their noisy old 20-25 yrs is boiler is clapped out and needs renewing. It heats the rads directly with an old copper cylinder. They have excellent mains pressure & flow. I suggested a Ferroli 38C which gives an impressive 16.4 l/min and get rid of the cylinder, releasing needed storage space. I suggested keeping the loft cold water tank, because it is already there and takes up no space, and have it feed the toilets, bath (they use baths a lot), bathroom basin and the two wet appliance in the kitchen. Spread the load over the cold mains and cold tank. Remove the power shower pump and have only the shower and kitchen on the hot & cold mains. Also to get a larger shower head to take advantage of the Ferroli's hot water delivery. If Intergas had a model with similar specs to the 38C I might have said look at that. If the specs are similar go for the better deal, and that will be the Ferroli.

BTW, all employees are salesmen in one way or other but you cannot figure that out. Don't get above yourself, you are not an engineer you are an on-the-tools boiler serviceman. You and Mr Robinson have no background in engineering. Real engineers are thinkers and do not have attitude. The likes of Bernard are engineers.

The Modena is better than the current Intergas range, it is a quality product in build and design. I doubt you have seen one in action - until the Intergas HRX comes out (and the jury is out on that). The Ferroli has a `one piece` with no joins stainless tube-in-tube heat exchanger, not the heavy over engineered, full of joints lump seen on the Intergas. Not one Intergas heat exchanger has ever failed? Sure mate! Pull the other one Intergas. The Intergas 40kW model only delivers 13 litres per minute of hot water. That is a disgrace! I have had experience of both. To say the Intergas is better is total boIIocks. The Ferroli delivers 16.4 litres per minutes, about 26% more than the larger Intergas. It also modulates down lower.

Intergas backup & service is not better than Ferroli. That is spamming a product by you and your insulting Intergas henchmen. Long waits on telephones is common. Long waits for servicemen are common. They do not cover all the country effectively.

Travelling through the thread it's obviously that I am a level above the on-the-tools-men for sure. So is Bernard. One offensive man was well spanked by Bernard and myself. :) And our education shows in our civilised attitude and broad minds. Tradesmen are `trained` not educated. The aggression from them here is a sign of intellectual inferiority.
 
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Tradesmen are `trained` not educated.
Sadly for the majority that is true. There are trained tradesmen who are educated and can think and reason beyond the limits of the training they were given.

It can be very confusing when a tradesman changes alliegence and the new employer's training contradicts the training given at the previous employment.
 

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