US Milk - WTF?

[Brigadier]

Well if you believe pointing out the failings of regulatory bodies is 'irrelevant', then you obviously don't understand the issue!

Poor response.
If you believe using an example of US regulatory failing, when you admit it is not a reflection on the US per se (because corporations of all countries are at it), demonstrates that "US is bad, we are good", you don't understand argument.

 

[Ihavenojob]

I can get an alcohol import license so how would alcohol introduced now be banned? Why issue an alcohol import license for banned products?

What crap you talking. You on some homemade moonshine.

They would ban it for the same reason they ban a lot of drugs such as heroin , cocaine etc . Tobacco wouldn't get in either.

 

[ellal]

Poor response.
If you believe using an example of US regulatory failing, when you admit it is not a reflection on the US per se (because corporations of all countries are at it), demonstrates that "US is bad, we are good", you don't understand argument.

Poor response?

It's not my problem if you don't understand the facts, however much I simplify them for you

I'm truly sorry (lol) to have shown up your ignorance - so if you wish to further contribute to this discussion, may I suggest you do a bit of homework before typing again!

 

[Brigadier]

You might want to look up the definition of "understand", before you accuse others of ignorance of it

 

[SirGalahad]

They would ban it for the same reason they ban a lot of drugs such as heroin , cocaine etc . Tobacco wouldn't get in either.

So Alcohol and tobacco are considered on the same basis as illegal drugs. Got ya.

 

[Ihavenojob]

So Alcohol and tobacco are considered on the same basis as illegal drugs. Got ya.

Are you really that thick?

 

[SirGalahad]

It's an issue of regulations. EU Vs US food safety regulations.

Are you really that thick?

Your point makes no sense. If it was introduced now.

 

[noseall]

There was probably some level of under reporting going on in France, but even so, the numbers did give good reason for caution across the channel.

The UK would have done the same if the reverse had occurred.

 

[Notch7]

The UK would have done the same if the reverse had occurred.

Yes, actually I almost added that. If the reverse had occured imagine the media frenzy. The government at the time wouldve had no choice.

 

[noseall]

The UK may shamelessly dive to the bottom (regards food safety standards) in a desperate attempt to secure trade deals with important trading nations. Its warm and fuzzy to think that the brexit bunch will have the UK's lowest earners and poorest, heath and well being at heart when they agree to the trade demands by our wealthier trade partners.

They won't. Why would they.

 

[Notch7]

The UK may shamelessly dive to the bottom (regards food safety standards) in a desperate attempt to secure trade deals with important trading nations. Its warm and fuzzy to think that the brexit bunch will have the UK's lowest earners and poorest, heath and well being at heart when they agree to the trade demands by our wealthier trade partners.

They won't. Why would they.

Do you have any proof of a dive to the bottom?

Do you think UK animal welfare will dive down as well?

 

[noseall]

Do you have any proof of a dive to the bottom?

No. I have no proof of anything post-brexit.

Do you think UK animal welfare will dive down as well?

I don't really know what competitive effect, trading (in earnest) outside of the EU, will have upon the UK meat industry. I guess it will become more expensive and will likely lose out to cheaper imports, should the UK get bullied into lousy trade agreements.​

 

[noseall]

Do you have any proof of a dive to the bottom?

The UK may shamelessly dive to the bottom (regards food safety standards)

 

[SirGalahad]

Do you have any proof of a dive to the bottom?

Do you think UK animal welfare will dive down as well?

What determines trade negotiations is what determines all negotiations. Where does the power lie.

Are farmers price makers or price takers when they negotiate with the big superstores?

If we enter trade negotiations with the US, they will call the shots, anyone who thinks they won't simply is in denial.

Remember this rapid trade deal we were going to get with the US didn't materialise. The idea we can negotiate a better deal with the US as a single entity rather than part of a bloc is not based in reality.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Your point makes no sense. If it was introduced now.

Christ this exchange was painful to read. ihatemyjob's point was that if alcohol did not exist and someone invented it tomorrow, the EU would ban it.
The power to ban stuff is not a virtue, it is a dangerous privilege that should be constantly scrutitnised, reviewed, and kept on a leash. A sovereign system is easier to manage in that regard than a distant continental one. We made regulations before we joined the EU, there's no reason we can't make them after leaving it.

As an aside, it's fun to watch how the Remain argument flip flops. Before the referendum it was all "The EU doesn't prevent us from making our own regulations and laws! That's just Daily Mail propaganda about bendy bananas. We have lost no sovereignty at all, you dumb Brexiteers."
Now the narrative is "but if we leave the EU who will set our standards? We'll have none at all! We need the EU to do it for us."