Out of Repect I ask Remainers to Refrain from posting in this thread

[Mfatic]

Nick Clegg said those words in the TV debates

I don't doubt that Nick Clegg said those words.
I am clarifying the situation that Nick Clegg held that view, (prior to the referendum when the UK was expected to remain in EU),
when the UK could veto the idea of a EU Army,
when the the idea was a myth anyway, and still is a myth.

 

[Mfatic]

I would be grateful if you could explain what the European Defence Fund that been increased and rejected by America is.

Oh! That one!
Here you go.

"European Defence Fund on track with €525 million for Eurodrone and other joint research and industrial projects"
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/news/european-defence-fund-2019-mar-19_en​

What business is it of America?
Is this not in-line with USA wanting other NATO partners to spend more on defence?

If the funding is being spent with European companies, rather than American ones, I can understand why America "rejects" it.

 

[The Baker]

If I understand things correctly currently GB has a veto which stops Germany and France telling the other 26? EU members how they must vote,

but,

once the Lisbon treaty slithers' onto the EU statute book we will be powerless.

 

[JP_]

once the Lisbon treaty slithers' onto the EU statute book we will be powerless.

best read this before putting a cross on the ballot paper

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

 

[JohnD]

If I understand things correctly currently GB has a veto which stops Germany and France telling the other 26? EU members how they must vote

Your description is nonsense.

However, once the UK's resignation from the EU takes effect, we will have no veto, no vote, and no voice in the debating chamber or conference room.

This is what Brexers call "taking back control"

 

[ellal]

best read this before putting a cross on the ballot paper

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

EU haters constantly regurgitate their lies...

Sadly ignorance amongst certain sections of the population gives the EU haters encouragement to carry on lying!

 

[Ihavenojob]

However, once the UK's resignation from the EU takes effect,

We won't have to take orders.

 

[ellal]

We won't have to take orders.

What 'orders' exactly?

 

[JohnD]

We don't now.

But we do have the right to participate in the framing of regulations for ourselves and the rest of the community. We have the ability to influence the rules for our own benefit, if we can persuade others to agree.

Obviously, once resigned, we will lose all that.

Better to be a rule-maker than a rule-taker.

Just try selling cars or vacuum cleaners or meat or fruit or financial services to the EU that don't conform to their standards.

Brexers call this "taking back control"

 

[Ihavenojob]

What 'orders' exactly?

Dont you know? How many eu directives are there? You do know that order is a synonym of directive, so therefore any new orders won't have to be adhered to unless we want.

 

[Mfatic]

If I understand things correctly

It's very obvious from your comments that you don't.

 

[Mfatic]

Dont you know? How many eu directives are there? You do know that order is a synonym of directive, so therefore any new orders won't have to be adhered to unless we want.

Thus, you could have just as easily said that post Brexit, we don't have to accept any new Directives (which would be obvious as we were no longer in the EU). By your own definition, it means the same.

"Directives
A "directive" is a legislative act that sets out a goal that all EU countries must achieve. However, it is up to the individual countries to devise their own laws on how to reach these goals". One example is the EU consumer rights directive, which strengthens rights for consumers across the EU, for example by eliminating hidden charges and costs on the internet, and extending the period under which consumers can withdraw from a sales contract.
https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/legal-acts_en
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Which is different from EU regulations.

"Regulations
A "regulation" is a binding legislative act. It must be applied in its entirety across the EU. For example, when the EU wanted to make sure that there are common safeguards on goods imported from outside the EU, the Council adopted a regulation.
https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/legal-acts_en
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Edit
As JohnD pointed out, if we wanted to trade with EU, post Brexit, we would still have to accept their relevant Regulations, and Directives.

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[Ihavenojob]

Thus, you could have just as easily said that post Brexit, we don't have to accept any new Directives (which would be obvious as we were no longer in the EU). By your own definition, it means the same.

"Directives
A "directive" is a legislative act that sets out a goal that all EU countries must achieve. However, it is up to the individual countries to devise their own laws on how to reach these goals". One example is the EU consumer rights directive, which strengthens rights for consumers across the EU, for example by eliminating hidden charges and costs on the internet, and extending the period under which consumers can withdraw from a sales contract.
https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/legal-acts_en
​

Which is different from EU regulations.

"Regulations
A "regulation" is a binding legislative act. It must be applied in its entirety across the EU. For example, when the EU wanted to make sure that there are common safeguards on goods imported from outside the EU, the Council adopted a regulation.
https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/legal-acts_en
​

Edit
As JohnD pointed out, if we wanted to trade with EU, post Brexit, we would still have to accept their relevant Regulations, and Directives.

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Order is a synonym of regulation, so regulations are orders.

 

[ellal]

Dont you know? How many eu directives are there? You do know that order is a synonym of directive, so therefore any new orders won't have to be adhered to unless we want.

Funnily enough the UK was only on the 'losing side' in 2% of the EU 'orders' voted upon...

And since 1974, growth in the UK has outstripped Germany, France and even the US...

Whilst being in the EEC/EU...

We've had such a rough deal...lol

 

[JP_]

Many of the laws the EU took on were British laws. We had control, we had respect, our laws were incorporated into Europe.
Now we are leaving, we lose all control, all respect and all power. But somehow, we're gonna be stronger!