Winter of Discontent (202)2

[Notch7]

Why don't you research the avg. pay rise people in the Private sector with no job security or defined benefits pensions are getting?

You will find it significantly less than the deal the Rail unions have rejected.

Who will pay for this bloated union pay deals?

The train operators are making loads of profit, they can afford it

Who is paying for the bloated paycheques of the chief executives.

in the last 12 years the pay at the top has increased massively: University Principals on £400k, chief executives at councils £350k, chief executives of water companies £1 million.

meanwhile pay for the workers is now at around 2010 levels.

 

[Justin Passing]

Oh, right. Well, that clears that up.
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I remember from a previous century the Gov deciding that pay increases should be limited to £1 + 4% .
Some suggested figure would help, this time, wouldn't it? The "£1" back in the day meant lower paid got more - seems fair especially right now.
Everyone knows it has to be less than the current peak inflation, but it can't be too far behind. Around 6%?

Of course union leaders have to be belligerent to stay elected, but there are ballots. I reckon nurses and posties would take a reasonable figure.
I agree the Gov seem intransigent, and I don't understand why.
The Royal mail is losing money , it needs to change with the market, railway operation should move with technology - it's not up to the unions how the companies are run. They seem to want to get paid more for trivial changes, or to "accept" redundancies. Redundancies are part of life, sorry.

 

[JohnD]

bloated union pay deals?

You think trying to catch up losses already suffered is "bloated?"

Where is your complaint about the rising price of Quality Street? Or Christmas Trees? Or basic foods? Or Petrol? Or Electricty?

Bankers bonuses are going up. Where does the money come from?

 

[JohnD]

Redundancies are part of life, sorry.

Perhaps motorbiking will be along to ask where the money comes from to support the unemployed and destitute.

 

[motorbiking]

RMT has 83,000 members. Avg Salary is 44k. They have rejected 8%. £300M extra costs. The Avg. Salary of those living in London is less than 42k. Take account of the Pension impact of this pay rise and the avg. Commuter will have to earn another £3-500 per year, to cover the cost of people who earn more than them and have better pensions. Fair?

We cannot have public sector pay rises topping those of the people who pay.

Why does a tube driver deserve 62% more than a London bus driver? Should a train driver earn more than the captain of a 100,000 tonne ship?

Perhaps motorbiking will be along to ask where the money comes from to support the unemployed and destitute.

Tax payer - it ALL comes from the tax payer. Someone else has to earn the money to pay the taxes to pay for all of it.

You think trying to catch up losses already suffered is "bloated?"

Why should they get a bigger pay rise than those who have to pay it?

 

[JohnD]

RMT has 83,000 members. Avg Salary is 44k. They have rejected 8%. £300M extra costs. The Avg. Salary of those living in London is less than 42k. Take account of the Pension impact of this pay rise and the avg. Commuter will have to earn another £3-500 per year, to cover the cost of people who earn more than them and have better pensions. Fair?

We cannot have public sector pay rises topping those of the people who pay.

Why does a tube driver deserve 62% more than a London bus driver? Should a train driver earn more than the captain of a 100,000 tonne ship?


Tax payer - it ALL comes from the tax payer. Someone else has to earn the money to pay the taxes to pay for all of it.


Why should they get a bigger pay rise than those who have to pay it?

Are you suggesting that pay should be dependent on justice?

Or just that it should be set by government?

You have already shown that you do not support a free market.

 

[motorbiking]

In other news, the government is damaging the country by worsening industrial disputes and prolonging strikes.

I'm presenting the bigger problem, which you want to ignore.

 

[JohnD]

I'm presenting the bigger problem, which you want to ignore.

The bigger problem is that the wages of ordinary working people have stagnated for ten years.

The bigger problem is that essential workers have been treated like scum while the economy grows and the rich get richer

Did you stand on your doorstep clapping for fund managers and currency traders?

Did you value the hospital staff, postmen and transport workers who kept the country on its feet?

Did you cheer like the Tory MPs?

WATCH: The moment Tory MPs cheered after blocking a pay rise for nurses

ON Thursday night, Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak joined in as the UK applauded its NHS staff.

www.thenational.scot

 

[JohnD]

Are you perhaps holding out for the Robespierre solution?

Opinion:The gulf between the rich and poor is widening – we just can't see it

Data has shown that without direct knowledge of how people unlike us live, we take our own circumstances for granted

www.independent.co.uk

The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust

The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.

equalitytrust.org.uk

Should Lord Harmsworth be a UK taxpayer?

Should ex Prime Minister Cameron have benefited from money hidden in Panama?

 

[motorbiking]

You make out that the Tories are responsible for our high inflation. Yet there are many countries with inflation at similar levels.

In France Public Sector pay was increased at half the rate of inflation. The euro zone has inflation within 1/2 a percent of the UK. No Brexit and no Tories. Yet for you its the Tories fault for everything.

Not credible.

The UK tax payer cannot afford public sector pay increases at more than half inflation. Its possible there is an argument for the lowest paid workers. But they aren't train and tube drivers.

 

[Dork Lard]

The UK tax payer cannot afford public sector pay increases at more than half inflation. Its possible there is an argument for the lowest paid workers. But they aren't train and tube drivers.

I've always believed that work should pay & hard work should pay better. I was raised in an environment where doing nowt' wasn't an option, if you couldn't find something to do then something would be quickly found for you.

In the days when I worked for a regular wage, I don't think there was ever a day when I came home with a feeling that I'd not earned that wage.

As a property developer & business investor, then the lifestyle I currently enjoy was won by entirely by my own wits.

Almost every day of my life has been better than the previous day. Sure, there have been days I don't want to relive, but generally my life has progressed & I like to think that it is MY efforts & ambitions that have helped it along the way.

I don't know any train drivers but I do know a firefighter. Can you please explain to me the reasons why you think his lifestyle should slowly regress year on year because he chose a profession that has very little chance of monetary progression?

I can walk into a building & confidently make a few changes that will increase that buildings value, I can walk into a business & confidently make a few changes that will strengthen that business & make it a little bit more profitable for everyone concerned. I cannot ever imagine walking into the fiery hell of a burning building, not even to rescue a child.

Can you imagine that Mr MoTorBiKinG? Sure you can, 'cos this is t'internets & txt on a screen is just txt on a screen.

 

[Ihavenojob]

I watched a documentary filmed during the 1978 Winter of discontent, some workers were after a 40% pay rise apparently. The strikes were the last straw for the British people and the end of Callaghan's stint as PM, he was succeeded by Maggie.

 

[JohnD]

You make out

Show us where you think you saw that.

 

[transam]

Let’s face it all then train drivers could be replaced

Few weeks training at best to drive a train

Or even a few days ??

 

[JohnD]

Are you perhaps holding out for the Robespierre solution?

Opinion:The gulf between the rich and poor is widening – we just can't see it

Data has shown that without direct knowledge of how people unlike us live, we take our own circumstances for granted

www.independent.co.uk

The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust

The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.

equalitytrust.org.uk

Should Lord Harmsworth be a UK taxpayer?

Should ex Prime Minister Cameron have benefited from money hidden in Panama?

Motorbiking ignores the points I made and throws in something I didn't say.