Mismatched MCBs C2 or C3?
- Thread starter Robin0577
- Start date
What UK law makes BS EN 61439 compulsory ?
Quite. That's the question I've been asking, so I imagine he doesn't have an answer?
D
Deleted member 142255
To supply equipment for sale in the UK and Europe that equipment must be UKCA or CE marked. Following the standards gives compliance with that.
D
Deleted member 142255
Yes he does, but doesn't sit on his keyboard 24/7 as he has to have treatment and medication.
You do seem to want to provoke an argument and have the last word.
Could you please that remark please?
Asa I've said before, I'm very sorry about your illness but, despite it, you seem to manage to spend closer to 24/7 than I do!
In any event, you did reply to the posts in which I asked the question, even though you didn't answer it.
Now you know.
Have you not read what I wrote?
Yes, it is 'compulsory' for equipment sold in the UK to have been manufactured in compliance with relevant product standards (and hence self-certified with UKCA/CE marks). However, that's really irrelevant since, even if it were not the case a manufacturer would obviously only supply CUs which were populated with their own (tested and 'approved') devices.
As I wrote, the entire discussion is necessarily about what happens after the manufacturer has sold the (standards-compliant) product, something that, as I've said, the manufacturer has no control over.
Do you agree that, once I (or you, or anyone) has bought a CU from a manufacturer, there is nothing 'compulsory' about what devices I use when replacing, or adding to, the ones supplied by the manufacturer?
- Joined
- 25 Apr 2023
- Messages
- 9,345
- Reaction score
- 6,416
- Country
No, and don't call me Shirley
For what it's worth, I more-or-less agree. As I've said, given what BS7671 (the basis of EICRs) says, it probably needs to br=e C3, even if there are actually no apparent problems or issues.
I also more-or-less agree about a 'bodge', although it's really down to the judgement of the inspector to decide whether thge nature and severity of the bodge are such as to "require urgent remedial action". However, I'm not sure that this is necessarily of direct relevance to what we are discussing (wrong brand.non-approved devices), since I would say exactly the same if some bodge were perpetrated in fitting a manufacturer-approved device. In other words, regardless of what the device were, it would essentially being the bodge that was being coded, not the nature of the device.
I will not argue with that one but what makes you or I or anyone else fitting any old make of MCB into any make of consumer unit and what law prevents it?. Not that I am suggesting that you or I or the good folk on here would be likely doing it but some others might do so without any comeback.
Again, that's the question I keep asking. We know that, laws or no laws, manufacturers will only supply CUs/DBs populated with their own (tested and approved) devices, and undoubtedly would still do that even if there were not laws stopping them selling it in the UK if they didn't. As you and I (but not necessarily everyone) understand, thge whole discussion relates to the situatioin when which someone puts a 'non-approved' device in it after it has been (legally) sold by the manufacturer.
You may not want to answer, but .... have you never 'done it'?
D
Deleted member 142255
Integrity!
Any properly trained and qualified spark would not consider it for anything other than a temporary emergency measure to restore power to for example a life support machine, or a pump that is preventing a well overflowing and causing major flooding etc, to give chance to obtain and return with the correct device.
There are many workarounds which can be legally and safely implemented, but the wrong device isn't one of them.
The person fitting and leaving such a device has no professional integrity and should be booted out of the trade, although nobody bothers about that with electrics.
Electrical work should be subject to the same type of rules and regulation as gas work. Part P of the building Regs was a very poor attempt at introducing some kind of control. England saw it wasn't working and backed down on it in 2010 releasing some of the constraints, however Wales didn't so you now have the confusion of 2 versions in force depending in some cases which side of the road you are working on.
If you become a member of the IEE you swear an oath to uphold their rules and regulations and perform in a professional manner.
DIYnot Local
Staff member
If you need to find a tradesperson to get your job done, please try our local search below, or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you.
Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search.
Are you a trade or supplier? You can create your listing free at DIYnot Local
