Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[MNW67]

So, an average Male boxer decides to change to a women and continues boxing and becomes female world champion..

Is that ok?

I don't think that can happen, though. As far as I know, all the cases with boxers have been those people with Disorders of Sexual Development.

 

[blup]

That's not the point of thinking about the poll results. Those show that either people genuinely think that traumatised victims of violence need less consideration than those using public toilets or changing rooms, or that their concerns about who needs "protecting" are not based on any rational analysis.

I don’t think it shows that, because strength of feeling influences personal opinion as well as actual views. In any event the debate is not about what polls say, it’s about the central moral issue

 

[morqthana]

The point being that because of the push for transgender acceptance,

What does that mean?

Are you saying that you don't believe that people with "transgender" feelings should be "accepted"? Accepted by who? Society? The law? You?

The USA is trialling social structures as defined by ignorant bigots, and we'll see how that works out for them, but we don't have that here yet.

and indeed premotion of it,

By "promotion" do you actually mean "refusing to allow censorship which is justified on the specious grounds that if something isn't talked about it will cease to exist"?

children have had these medical procedures inflicted on them.

I'd like to see the verified evidence of what "procedures" have been "inflicted" on children - can you please point me at it?

Many have later gone on to end their lives once the true cost of 'their' decision has been realised.
Theses measures were advocated by people (adults) just like you, notchy, noseall etc in the name of progressive bullshitery adherence, that you were told made you a nice person.

What "measures"? I haven't advocated anything other than not being bigoted, not being filled with hate, not being prejudiced, not having irrational fears, not refusing to accept facts, etc.

Why do you think that advocating those things is bad? Are you actually in favour of bigotry, hatred, prejudice, phobias, wilful ignorance, etc?

It's nonsense.

Well, it is true that nonsense seems to be one of your specialised subjects.

How many transgender kids were there 30, or even 10 years ago compared to now?

Probably about the same, but in the past there were fewer who could articulate the nature of why they felt unhappy.

Talking about it has really helped eh?

Probably has.

The more it is talked about, the less that young people will feel that they are freaks. Or is them feeling that what you would prefer?

Surely the more it is discussed openly with them in ways which are not critical or condemnatory, with reliance on facts and the history of observed outcomes, and emotional support for them, the more likely it is that they'll hang on in there and see if they are in the vast majority of children with gender dysphoria who lose those feelings after puberty?

99% of them aren't transgender at all, they have just caught the 'look at me disease, aren't I special' that has been spread by spineless cowards.

What disease have you caught that has made you a spineless sadist?

 

[JohnD]

At least one person did otherwise there wouldn’t have been a claim.

Did this person meet all the criteria?

 

[motorbiking]

Did this person meet all the criteria?

Nope. But the won anyway.

 

[JohnD]

Did this person meet all the criteria?

Answer: No.

 

[motorbiking]

Answer: No.

And yet they won their claim.

 

[MNW67]

Nope. But the won anyway.

Actually, they did meet all these criteria. These criteria reflect the court ruling. It looks like previously you used to need a GRC as well.

 

[morqthana]

Not sure, but wasn't the Tavistock clinic closed down because they were doing these procedures (legally)?

Since the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust is still operating, the answer to your question can only be "no".

LATER ADDITION:

The Gender Identity Development Service provided by the Tavistock Clinic was discontinued and replaced by more localised services. The Tavistock Clinic itself was not closed down.

 

[motorbiking]

Actually, they did meet all these criteria. These criteria reflect the court ruling. It looks like previously you used to need a GRC as well.

I only started looking at this when I read a note saying it affected pension rights too. Until then I wasn’t aware that a trans-women could claim early pension. Seems bonkers to start.

From what I’ve read. The age drop accounts for men being typically 5 years older than their wives at the time and therefore it was seen as “fair” to allow them to get a pension at 60 so that they could care for their 65 year old husband.

Seems bonkers.

 

[MNW67]

Since the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust is still operating, the answer to your question can only be "no".

I think the gender clinic got closed down last year.

 

[Notch7]

What does that mean?

Are you saying that you don't believe that people with "transgender" feelings should be "accepted"? Accepted by who? Society? The law? You?

The USA is trialling social structures as defined by ignorant bigots, and we'll see how that works out for them, but we don't have that here yet.



By "promotion" do you actually mean "refusing to allow censorship which is justified on the specious grounds that if something isn't talked about it will cease to exist"?



I'd like to see the verified evidence of what "procedures" have been "inflicted" on children - can you please point me at it?



What "measures"? I haven't advocated anything other than not being bigoted, not being filled with hate, not being prejudiced, not having irrational fears, not refusing to accept facts, etc.

Why do you think that advocating those things is bad? Are you actually in favour of bigotry, hatred, prejudice, phobias, wilful ignorance, etc?



Well, it is true that nonsense seems to be one of your specialised subjects.



Probably about the same, but in the past there were fewer who could articulate the nature of why they felt unhappy.



Probably has.

The more it is talked about, the less that young people will feel that they are freaks. Or is them feeling that what you would prefer?

Surely the more it is discussed openly with them in ways which are not critical or condemnatory, with reliance on facts and the history of observed outcomes, and emotional support for them, the more likely it is that they'll hang on in there and see if they are in the vast majority of children with gender dysphoria who lose those feelings after puberty?


What disease have you caught that has made you a spineless sadist?

Lirefighter is a Trump lovin gammon, he is literally Mr Daily Mail……its a waste of time trying to debate with somebody with such a closed mind

 

[morqthana]

Do you mean "surgical procedures" on children?

Children are not eligible for reassignment surgery in the UK.

 

[JohnD]

Children are not eligible for reassignment surgery in the UK.

But did Liar know that?

Not sure, but wasn't the Tavistock clinic closed down because they were doing these procedures (legally)?

 

[morqthana]

Exactly

That still leaves a straightforward question, in two halves, unanswered by you

If you don't believe that if you don't mention homosexuality to a child they will not feel the need to have sex with someone the same sex as them, why do you believe that not mentioning that some people are transgender will stop children feeling the need to change sex?

And if you do believe it, where's your proof that it works? That nobody would "become" homosexual if the concept was never mentioned to them?

One might almost think that you don't want to answer it, as doing so would cause your totally incompatible beliefs to collide and self-destruct.