Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[morqthana]

I like simple.

Imagine my surprise.

 

[morqthana]

It doesn't actually use those words, does it?

The court's ruling on the interpretation of the Equality Act is that there are "men", and there are "women".

That's NOT the case imho.
The issue is how the 99% are treated.

The 1% deserves respect and dignity the same qualitatively as disabled, very short or tall people or any other unfortunate minority.

The small minorities cannot ask the 99% to see things as they do. The more aggressively they try, the more marginalised they become.

As I said - the problem when you have a law which says that there are only two sexes is that the transphobic haters and deniers use that to "justify" their twisted, hate-filled, fearful, ignorant bigotry against transgender people.

They will even use it to say that people who don't fit into one of the two neatly pre-ordained boxes deserve to be physically attacked if they try to make their case more forcefully than the ignorant thugs are prepared to let them.

Then, instead of a funny look and everyone's lives moving on, they get told to p off followed by a fist in the face.

Oh.

 

[morqthana]

Because of people like you who encourage people like them to believe that mutilating their bodies to become something they are not meant to be is ok and 'normal'

And where have I done that? Can you show us?

How well does it work for you, living life on the basis of believing you have heard things which haven't been said, read things which haven't been written, seen things which haven't happened?

 

[morqthana]

This ruling does not actually protect biological women in single sex spaces like toilets and changing rooms.

What it does it protect organisations from legal challenges if they set rules in place preventing trans women from entering single sex spaces reserved for biological females.

Does it?

The ruling was focussed on the fairly narrow issue of the impact of a Gender Recognition Certificate on the Equality Act provisions. The majority of trans people do not have a GRC, and it is not currently possible to obtain a GRC for non-binary gender identities. The argument was all about whether someone with a GRC becomes their certified sex for all purposes under the Equality Act. It was not about the position of other trans people, or about the protections for trans people more broadly. The Court was concerned that a different decision would create a difference in rights between trans people who did and did not have a GRC.

The decision was quite a technical analysis of the meaning of words in the Equality Act. It is not a wider decision about the interpretation of other legislation, or whether “sex” means “biological sex” in other contexts.

Single sex facilities in the workplace, for example - as with genuine occupational requirements, the law has not changed. If employers choose not to provide single sex spaces they need to be able to justify this approach and they must be compliant with the requirements applying to gender neutral facilities. If employers do provide single sex spaces then (based on previous cases) it is likely to be gender reassignment discrimination to bar trans people from using the facilities of their choice. As this does not relate to GRCs, it is unaltered by the Court’s judgment.

 

[Justin Passing]

As I said - the problem when you have a law which says that there are only two sexes is that the transphobic haters and deniers use that to "justify" their twisted, hate-filled, fearful, ignorant bigotry against transgender people.

Not the law's problem
If you're a bloke and you get your bits altered and behave llike a woman, you're a bloke with his bits altered. No problem with that from me. Haters will hate, the law will have no influence on that. Calling the bloke a girl won't help.

That's why I want him referred to as a trans MAN not a trans woman. He has not become a woman. He's a man maybe with a gender reassignment piece of paper, which in some circumstances may affect what he can or must do.

 

[JohnD]

So that will be seething with hate and anger, and a burning desire to get rid of all transgender people.

A false allegation.

It will simply be, admitting that men and women exist, and sex is a biological fact, not a whim, a choice, or an assertion.

 

[JohnD]

Not the law's problem
If you're a bloke and you get your bits altered and behave llike a woman, you're a bloke with his bits altered. No problem with that from me. Haters will hate, the law will have no influence on that. Calling the bloke a girl won't help.

That's why I want him referred to as a trans MAN not a trans woman. He has not become a woman. He's a man maybe with a gender reassignment piece of paper, which in some circumstances may affect what he can or must do.

In most cases people who consider themselves to be Trans have not had any surgical modifications.

A few of them have certificates.

A man does not become a woman

Even if he has uttered the magic words "I am a woman."

Magic does not work.

 

[Koolpc]

And where have I done that? Can you show us?

How well does it work for you, living life on the basis of believing you have heard things which haven't been said, read things which haven't been written, seen things which haven't happened?

You can answer that easily as that is how you work!!

 

[Notch7]

Not the law's problem
If you're a bloke and you get your bits altered and behave llike a woman, you're a bloke with his bits altered. No problem with that from me. Haters will hate, the law will have no influence on that. Calling the bloke a girl won't help.

That's why I want him referred to as a trans MAN not a trans woman. He has not become a woman. He's a man maybe with a gender reassignment piece of paper, which in some circumstances may affect what he can or must do.

You are confusing biological sex with gender.


Transgender people have a gender that does not match their biological sex, it’s not their fault they can’t help it.

If a person wants to be considered a particular gender, is there any reason why we can’t just all accept that….is it such a big deal?

 

[transam]

You are confusing biological sex with gender.


Transgender people have a gender that does not match their biological sex, it’s not their fault they can’t help it.

If a person wants to be considered a particular gender, is there any reason why we can’t just all accept that….is it such a big deal?

So to cut to the chase they are fruit cakes than ?

Tis what I have always thought

 

[diy_fun_uk]

This whole thing amazes me.

Mike and Betty work in an office. Mike uses the gents, Betty uses the ladies.

Mike decides to become Michelle.

Betty's to be cool with 'Michelle' (who six months ago was Mike) using the ladies perhaps at the same time as her?

Trans are great at bleating 'trans rights are human rights.' So are the rights of actual, real females. Many of whom, surprisingly (sarcasm) don't want trans women using some of their spaces.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

You are confusing biological sex with gender.

Transgender people have a gender that does not match their biological sex, it’s not their fault they can’t help it.

If a person wants to be considered a particular gender, is there any reason why we can’t just all accept that….is it such a big deal?

A lot of them are jumping on the trans train because it's cool.

There are numerous stories of folk who transitioned and then regretted it, including folk who say they now realise they were too young to know what the feck they were doing, however were encouraged to transition by groups who obviously have a certain objective around all this.

Are there genuine trans people? Of course. And they should be supported within legislative boundaries. However, if you are 'trans' anything, you will never be a 'real' whatever it is you transitioned to. And the law should protect those who are real.

 

[motorbiking]

You are confusing biological sex with gender.


Transgender people have a gender that does not match their biological sex, it’s not their fault they can’t help it.

If a person wants to be considered a particular gender, is there any reason why we can’t just all accept that….is it such a big deal?

What do you think the gender pay gap is about ? Biology or a certificate?

 

[Notch7]

Trans are great at bleating 'trans rights are human rights.' So are the rights of actual, real females. Many of whom, surprisingly (sarcasm) don't want trans women using some of their spaces.

I think most transgender people just want to get on with their life in peace.

It’s the small minority of aggressive trans activists on one side and the right wing media pushing culture wars that have turned it into some massive talking point.

So are the rights of actual, real females

Biological females should absolutely have safe single sex spaces.


What is needed is biological women to have their rights protected and at the same time transgender people to have a society which accepts them and allows them to have a decent life without facing hate and prejudice……surely as a society we can find a way to do this.

 

[Notch7]

A lot of them are jumping on the trans train because it's cool

Highly unlikely

There are numerous stories of folk

Numerous?

How many?