Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[Highway Man]

Exactly.
There will always be smartass trying to gain advantage of a situation.
Heterosexual man claiming of being a woman to get in changing rooms, toilets, etc.

All well and good, but these poor people are afraid to lose their job for saying the obvious, so they let a convicted violent rapist join a women prison.

My solution:
If you have a sausage you use male facilities, regardless of anything else you think, wear, look, have implanted, etc.
If you don't have a sausage, you use female facilities.
Then you can identify as anything you like.

Exactly

 

[blup]

You said women of faith.


I'm suggesting exactly that. I'm suggesting we look at the evidence of risks and determine care plans accordingly.

I'm not the one saying (in the absence of ANY such consideration of facts) that it is mad to say that to say refusing a trans woman breast cancer screening is discriminatory.


No, my argument is predicated on it not being the case that trans women per se are necessarily a threat to others. A man imprisoned for a non-violent, non-sexual offence is probably not going to become a violent rapist if he transitions. A man who is a violent and/or sex offender is probably likely to remain one if he transitions.

Trans people with or without a GRC can be excluded from single sex services so far as it is for a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim", which could be for "reasons of privacy, decency, to prevent trauma or to ensure health and safety".

So if the prison authorities transferred a violent man to a female prison because he'd simply said "I identify as a woman" then I suggest they did not use the provisions in law and did not assess the risk properly. The response to that should be to deal with the people and the mistakes they made, not decide that no trans woman should ever be housed in a female prison.

Do you not think women who in society are subject to male dominance violence and sexual abuse are not entitled to have a say?

 

[JohnD]

A great deal of complexity and argument arose when Trans Activists (falsely) claimed that TWAW.

If that had been true, and if, as they also claim, a TW is any man who utters the magic words "I am a woman" then society felt bound to allow any man into any women's space or organisation; changing room, prison, hospital ward, winning gold medals in women's sporting events, taking places reserved for women on committees or shortlists for jobs or awards, demanding to be given appointments for a cervical smear, and so on. Numerous documents had to be rewritten, replacing the word "woman" with "pregnant person" "breastfeeding person" "person with a vagina" because the correct word had been hijacked, misused, and lost its meaning.

The false claim is now being unravelled. With luck something more sensible will be arranged. It may be best not to let Trans Activists set the agenda again.

TWANW.

 

[Highway Man]

A great deal of complexity and argument arose when Trans Activists (falsely) claimed that TWAW.

If that had been true, and if, as they also claim, a TW is any man who utters the magic words "I am a woman" then society felt bound to allow any man into any women's space or organisation; changing room, prison, hospital ward, winning gold medals in women's sporting events, taking places reserved for women on committees, demanding to be given appointments for a cervical smear, and so on. Numerous documents had to be rewritten, replacing the word "woman" with "pregnant person" "breastfeeding person" "person with a vagina" because the correct word had been hijacked, misused, and lost its meaning.

The false claim is now being unravelled. With luck something more sensible will be arranged. It may be best not to let Trans Activists set the agenda again.

TWANW.

Exactly!!!!

 

[Highway Man]

The way that I see it is that we have gays and lesbians that have integrated really well into society, they don't ask for special treatment because of the way that they are. Gay men use the gents toilets and lesbians use the female toilets with no fuss. What makes a trans woman so special? Nobody is taking away their right to say they are trans, so why make this huge fuss over themselves. Everybody walking on egg shells in order not to upset them. I even heard on the radio today that there will be trauma counselling for any of them that feel overwhelmed by having to use a gender toilet. OMG I never got that when I left the army FFS.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Are there going to be attendants at the entry to public toilets to check the sex of anybody entering?

If it looks like a woman, and is dressed like a woman, what happens ?

 

[gas112]

The way that I see it is that we have gays and lesbians that have integrated really well into society, they don't ask for special treatment because of the way that they are. Gay men use the gents toilets and lesbians use the female toilets with no fuss. What makes a trans woman so special? Nobody is taking away their right to say they are trans, so why make this huge fuss over themselves. Everybody walking on egg shells in order not to upset them. I even heard on the radio today that there will be trauma counselling for any of them that feel overwhelmed by having to use a gender toilet. OMG I never got that when I left the army FFS.

Our local spoons allow them to use the disabled toilets so they dont feel uncomfortable using the proper toilets

 

[gas112]

Are there going to be attendants at the entry to public toilets to check the sex of anybody entering?

If it looks like a woman, and is dressed like a woman, what happens ?

Make sure she cant use a urinal standing up

 

[Highway Man]

Our local spoons allow them to use the disabled toilets so they dont feel uncomfortable using the proper toilets

For god sake

 

[Highway Man]

Are there going to be attendants at the entry to public toilets to check the sex of anybody entering?

If it looks like a woman, and is dressed like a woman, what happens ?

Just check for an adams apple then direct them to the correct toilet

 

[gas112]

Just check for an adams apple then direct them to the correct toilet

Dont go Thailand you will get caught out they get their adams apples surgically shaved so they do not show ....

 

[Notch7]

Are there going to be attendants at the entry to public toilets to check the sex of anybody entering?

If it looks like a woman, and is dressed like a woman, what happens ?

The reality is that single sex spaces for biological women can’t be protected, for the reason you state: it can’t be policed.

The law actually only protects businesses against being sued for discrimination.



How is a trans woman going to go clothe shopping….how are they meant to try anything on?

 

[Highway Man]

The reality is that single sex spaces for biological women can’t be protected, for the reason you state: it can’t be policed.

The law actually only protects businesses against being sued for discrimination.



How is a trans woman going to go clothe shopping….how are they meant to try anything on?

buy online?

 

[gas112]

buy online?

cant be many high street womens shops that do size 10 six inch stiletto heels

 

[Koolpc]

Trans is a modern sickness....it has caused so much pain....

The reality is that single sex spaces for biological women can’t be protected, for the reason you state: it can’t be policed.

The law actually only protects businesses against being sued for discrimination.



How is a trans woman going to go clothe shopping….how are they meant to try anything on?

Go to a fancy dress shop!