And deservedly so, he achieved the Brexit referendum win when 'you lot' thought you had it in the bag and Boris, with Doms help 'got Brexit done'. As for Chancellors, I liked Sajid but to be fair, Rishi looks better.
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And deservedly so, he achieved the Brexit referendum win when 'you lot' thought you had it in the bag and Boris, with Doms help 'got Brexit done'. As for Chancellors, I liked Sajid but to be fair, Rishi looks better.
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He is a very bitter ex-employee, but No10 deserves everything coming to them for permitting staff to take pictures during meetings with no consideration of the resulting security risks. No doubt there is a book deal somewhere in the pipeline.
When you are before a Parliamentary Panel, the idea is that you tell the truth, so I can't see what the problem is with Dom explaining what went on and giving his opinions when asked - opinions which can be taken as is or not.
I think he was generally reliable in his responses and his assessment of the Gov's performance correct and believable
I'm not sure about his comments regarding Hancock, as there are clearly some issues there with the number of times he repeated his dislike for him, but I had to chuckle when asked why Boris did not sack him , and Dom said that Boris was advised to keep Hancock in place until the enquiry and when they get criticised, Hancock is the one who can be sacked. LOL
I think he was generally reliable in his responses and his assessment of the Gov's performance correct and believable
I'm not sure about his comments regarding Hancock, as there are clearly some issues there with the number of times he repeated his dislike for him, but I had to chuckle when asked why Boris did not sack him , and Dom said that Boris was advised to keep Hancock in place until the enquiry and when they get criticised, Hancock is the one who can be sacked. LOL
I do wonder how many other countries are going to have similar public and open assessments or comments of their Government's performance in the pandemic? It seems that most countries in the world were unprepared and messed up to various degrees.
I wonder if this type of public revelation is something that the UK should be proud of or if we are just foolish to put this out there for the rest of the world to see?
I wonder if this type of public revelation is something that the UK should be proud of or if we are just foolish to put this out there for the rest of the world to see?
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It's quite normal for attendees at meetings to use their phones to snap flip charts or whiteboards.
I dislike him as a person and his politics but I believe his comments
I dislike him as a person and his politics but I believe his comments
I think it's easier to speak in hindsight than it is to implement actions at the time.
We aren't the only country that got it wrong, but I think we are one of the highest in terms of death rates, but it's hard to judge because all the countries had/have their own way of counting covid deaths. The UK as far as I'm aware are the only country that counts dying within 4 weeks of having covid or covid symptoms as a covid death. We aren't doing autopsy's on those that are dying to confirm if they died of covid.
Britain's population is a pretty unhealthy one also, our damp miserable climate probably doesn't help matters either.
I don't necessarily believe we need a finger pointing exercise, but we do need to implement improvements for the next bout of whatever disease is going to come out.
I think after bird flu, SARS 2 which turned out to be nothing the UK got lack luster.
I also feel the government were damned regardless what protocol they implemented. If they locked down sooner the guardian readers would have been up in arms for locking the country down to soon..
In anything like this there is always smart bottoms who come out with bull poop about how they could have done it so much better and this and that should have been done.
But it's easy to say that after the event..
Listen to the science they said, if we listened to the science we'd still be in full 1st lockdown.
I find these types are rather single minded in their thinking, my engineers are the same, whenever they work on an engine they want the full set of OEM special tools, which is unrealistic we wouldn't make any money, so we have to looks t the tools we 100% need, then look at the ones we could do with to make things a little easier and then theirs the ones that really we can use alternative items from our tools boxes.
We aren't the only country that got it wrong, but I think we are one of the highest in terms of death rates, but it's hard to judge because all the countries had/have their own way of counting covid deaths. The UK as far as I'm aware are the only country that counts dying within 4 weeks of having covid or covid symptoms as a covid death. We aren't doing autopsy's on those that are dying to confirm if they died of covid.
Britain's population is a pretty unhealthy one also, our damp miserable climate probably doesn't help matters either.
I don't necessarily believe we need a finger pointing exercise, but we do need to implement improvements for the next bout of whatever disease is going to come out.
I think after bird flu, SARS 2 which turned out to be nothing the UK got lack luster.
I also feel the government were damned regardless what protocol they implemented. If they locked down sooner the guardian readers would have been up in arms for locking the country down to soon..
In anything like this there is always smart bottoms who come out with bull poop about how they could have done it so much better and this and that should have been done.
But it's easy to say that after the event..
Listen to the science they said, if we listened to the science we'd still be in full 1st lockdown.
I find these types are rather single minded in their thinking, my engineers are the same, whenever they work on an engine they want the full set of OEM special tools, which is unrealistic we wouldn't make any money, so we have to looks t the tools we 100% need, then look at the ones we could do with to make things a little easier and then theirs the ones that really we can use alternative items from our tools boxes.
There’s a few like that on here too. They never seem to offer any opinions or solutions before events happen though. A complete regiment of Captain Hindsight’s!
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The problem with this narrative is the ahistoric approach.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ment-jeremy-hunt-eye-protection-a9431311.html
We were unprepared for the pandemic as the Government rejected the findings of the Cygnus report (conducted in 2017 and still not released) which recommended PPE for all frontline staff as being too expensive. We were still drunk on austerity and cost cutting. Imagine we had implemented the reports recommendations - how many lives would be saved?
It's all too easy to say every country was ill prepared - we had cut our ability to respond because we were too busy on an austerity drive.
People need to be held accountable or nothing will change.
Thats pure revisionism - there was huge thread on here about locking down earlier and it split broadly those supporting the Government thought there was no need whilst those against were supportive of an earlier lockdown.
That's more conceit by saying hindsight provides a convenient cover. If that was the case then why so many U-turns?
Where does it say if we listened to Science we would still be in the First lockdown?
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Why do you persist with this conceit? The number of U-turns the Government has done proves that as a false narrative.
There isn't a problem with u turns though is there?
U turns are a realisation that the direction they were going in hasn't worked.
It's an enviable task trying to do what's best for the economy everyone's health and to do it while keeping everyone happy.
There is no doubt that the government was pushing towards best case scenario instead of preparing for worst case, but TBF that's what the majority of the public wanted.
Throughout the pandemic it has been clearly documented that the science wanted to keep everything locked down since the start, they wanted much slower easing of restrictions last summer, they wanted a full lockdown much earlier, and even recently the scientists have been warning government not to remove the restrictions at the pace they have.
We consistently got hit with horror stories of their modelling, only to then find out there were various models and they were working on the worst one. Which for all intents and purposes we didn't get as bad as the worst case modelling predicted so that's a bonus.
(Not to mention that even the scientists can't abide by covid rules)
As has been mentioned there is an awful lot said by others after the event with their opinions on how it should have been handled but ultimately it wouldn't have mattered who was in charge.
The covid deaths is a tricky one, because it's not so black and white with the total numbers with some countries under reporting, others over reporting. In the UK it is not unheard of for people to have died of different causes but still have covid put on there death certificate. Also the general UK population is in poor health compared to those on the continent, our diets and lifestyle are vastly different ( and all the worse for it)
We do need enquiries into the role of contract giving with the how's an why's contracts were given along with the monetary values.
We weren't the only country that got it wrong, there were many countries scrambling for PPE, and ventilators high hospital admissions etc etc. France Spain and Italy are such examples.
The pandemic isn't something that heads should roll for, especially as you have pointed out it was under funding by various governments that reduced our ability to respond, bojo and his crew had only really just entered parliament, and had spent the previous 6 months before the election trying to deal with brexit and the poop show that may and the remoaners left us in.
But As I said things need to be looked at and processes and procedures put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, maybe put things into law so funding isn't cut again or something.
The government have done well with the vaccination program, this cannot be denied.
U turns are a realisation that the direction they were going in hasn't worked.
It's an enviable task trying to do what's best for the economy everyone's health and to do it while keeping everyone happy.
There is no doubt that the government was pushing towards best case scenario instead of preparing for worst case, but TBF that's what the majority of the public wanted.
Throughout the pandemic it has been clearly documented that the science wanted to keep everything locked down since the start, they wanted much slower easing of restrictions last summer, they wanted a full lockdown much earlier, and even recently the scientists have been warning government not to remove the restrictions at the pace they have.
We consistently got hit with horror stories of their modelling, only to then find out there were various models and they were working on the worst one. Which for all intents and purposes we didn't get as bad as the worst case modelling predicted so that's a bonus.
(Not to mention that even the scientists can't abide by covid rules)
As has been mentioned there is an awful lot said by others after the event with their opinions on how it should have been handled but ultimately it wouldn't have mattered who was in charge.
The covid deaths is a tricky one, because it's not so black and white with the total numbers with some countries under reporting, others over reporting. In the UK it is not unheard of for people to have died of different causes but still have covid put on there death certificate. Also the general UK population is in poor health compared to those on the continent, our diets and lifestyle are vastly different ( and all the worse for it)
We do need enquiries into the role of contract giving with the how's an why's contracts were given along with the monetary values.
We weren't the only country that got it wrong, there were many countries scrambling for PPE, and ventilators high hospital admissions etc etc. France Spain and Italy are such examples.
The pandemic isn't something that heads should roll for, especially as you have pointed out it was under funding by various governments that reduced our ability to respond, bojo and his crew had only really just entered parliament, and had spent the previous 6 months before the election trying to deal with brexit and the poop show that may and the remoaners left us in.
But As I said things need to be looked at and processes and procedures put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, maybe put things into law so funding isn't cut again or something.
The government have done well with the vaccination program, this cannot be denied.
You have GOT to be having a laugh?
His resume has just jumped 10 notches. He is a very clever and very sinister man. Like all RWR, you overestimate Bozza daily and look past those that made/make him.
'unemployable' lol.
....that they had caused.
Brexit supporters will always excuse incompetence and corruption.
Fillyboy thinks it's amusing and intriguing that 10s of thousands of people died unnecessarily.
UK did worse than most other countries in the world
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