EU divorce bill agreed

[Brigadier]

A second report – this time from the University of Edinburgh – found a higher number of tweets about Brexit from the Russian Internet Research Agency. The Guardian reports that researchers identified 419 accounts operating from the Agency that were attempting to influence UK politics. The accounts were on the list of 2,752 accounts suspended by Twitter in the US.

Professor Laura Cram, who led the research, told the Guardian that those 419 accounts tweeted about Brexit at total of 3,468 times – mostly after the referendum had taken place.

 

[JohnD]

416 tweets from the Russian accounts.

That's not many. I wonder if they were targeted at fanatics who retweeted them so they spread.

Surprising if the report didn't mention retweets.

Remember how the RWRs on here used to promulgate stories and videos from their favourite hate sites?

 

[Brigadier]

That's not many. I wonder if they were targeted at fanatics who retweeted them so they spread.

Surprising if the report didn't mention retweets.

Remember how the RWRs on here used to promulgate stories and videos from their favourite hate sites?

A reasonable point. The report doesn't make that clear.
Could go either way.

 

[Doggit]

Professor Laura Cram, who led the research, told the Guardian that those 419 accounts tweeted about Brexit at total of 3,468 times – mostly after the referendum had taken place.

As most of them were made after the referendum had taken place, the number of retweets would be totally immaterial to the outcome of the referendum; so they were obviously discussing the outcome, not trying to influence it.

 

[JohnD]

Read it, dummy.

Researcher Yin Yin Lu told Sky News that she had found 416 tweets from the Russian accounts from March to July 2016 (i.e. the months preceding the EU referendum).

 

[transam]

Blimey some Russians made 416 tweet's about Brexit ?

Blimey that must explain why the UK voted for Brexit . It was the Russian connection

Must admit I am

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

What is it that you dont understand?

The UK had a referendum, it voted out end of

There was no NI voted to remain, there were no regional divisions in the referendum.

The UK had a referendum, the result of which is advisory and not mandatory. There was nothing about the details, such as regional diversity, or the unity of UK, type of Brexit, or details of borders, or the details about citizens rights, etc.
That means politicians can interpret the results how they wish, and act on them as they choose.
The government chooses to impose the view of the English and Welsh onto the Irish, Scots and Gibraltarians (and Londoners, and others), ignoring their concerns and opinions.
Not to mention that the choice of 52% is imposed on the 48%. There is no talk or consideration of a compromise to bring on board the 48%.

It is not about what is best for UK (or its parts), or its citizens (wherever they happened to be), but more about the slimmest majority (or even the minority in some cases) imposing its nationalistic and ideological views on everyone else. Opportunistic politics at its worst.

 

[vinty]

The UK had a referendum, the result of which is advisory and not mandatory. There was nothing about the details, such as regional diversity, or the unity of UK, type of Brexit, or details of borders, or the details about citizens rights, etc.
That means politicians can interpret the results how they wish, and act on them as they choose.
The government chooses to impose the view of the English and Welsh onto the Irish, Scots and Gibraltarians (and Londoners, and others), ignoring their concerns and opinions.
Not to mention that the choice of 52% is imposed on the 48%. There is no talk or consideration of a compromise to bring on board the 48%.

It is not about what is best for UK (or its parts), or its citizens (wherever they happened to be), but more about the slimmest majority (or even the minority in some cases) imposing its nationalistic and ideological views on everyone else. Opportunistic politics at its worst.

You are contradicting yourself again,in your earlier posts you were banging on about the majority in N.I. voting to remain as if this was relevant ,in your post above you are now saying that the government is under no obligation to take notice of regional opinion on Brexit, so in effect you are agreeing with what others have pointed out that regional majorities for remain are irrelevant.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

You are contradicting yourself again,in your earlier posts you were banging on about the majority in N.I. voting to remain as if this was relevant ,in your post above you are now saying that the government is under no obligation to take notice of regional opinion on Brexit, so in effect you are agreeing with what others have pointed out that regional majorities for remain are irrelevant.

I did not say, "they are under no obligation to..." I said, "they choose to..."
They are under no obligation to enforce their version of Brexit on those who do not desire it, but they choose to do so. They were under no obligation to act at all on the referendum.
I said so earlier: "The government chooses to impose the view....".
A reasonable government would have looked for sensible compromises to encompass all views. Instead they pander to the right wing of their party, and the DUP, who are very au fait with "divergence"on abortion and same-sex marriage but not divergence on trade.

Consider another scenario, albeit an unlikely one: The conservatives are in a supply and confidence alignment with SNP or Sinn Fein. How would Mondays dialogue on trade discussions with EU have panned out?
We would be discussing trade deals by now!

 

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mpact-forecasts-do-not-exist-says-david-davis

The UK government has produced no economic forecasts on the likely impact of Brexit on various sectors of the economy, the Brexit secretary, David Davis, has told a committee of MPs who have attempted to examine the studies.

Answering questions from the Brexit select committee, Davis also said there had been no economic impact study undertaken before the cabinet decision to leave the EU customs union, and no assessment had been made of the possible economic effect of a no-deal Brexit.

How can you have any faith when they don't themselves.

 

[Brigadier]

As outcomes are dependent on the actual Brexit deal (that is not yet) negotiated, any "forecast" would be little better than a guess.




Depends on the spin one wishes to put on it, to fit one's chosen narrative.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...prove-fiscal-watchdog-wrong-u-k-official-says

 

[SirGalahad]

As outcomes are dependent on the actual Brexit deal (that is not yet) negotiated, any "forecast" would be little better than a guess.




Depends on the spin one wishes to put on it, to fit one's chosen narrative.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...prove-fiscal-watchdog-wrong-u-k-official-says

It looks like you are confusing the difference between forecasting and predicting (which is guesswork).

Do you do any forecasting then? As you would know you would consider different scenarios and their impacts the idea you cannot consider that shows just how much spin you have put on it.

I can't believe they have not done a full impact assessment as that would help your negotiating position knowing where the read lines are.

From your link.

"If the government achieves a “deep and special relationship with strong economic links” to the EU, “that might be something that would be a surprise on the upside,”

So the upside is only if we have pretty much the same relationship as we have now.

 

[SirGalahad]

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/938344886654431232/

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/938372601042296833

So first they had reports now they don't?

 

[Brigadier]

Prediction: a thing predicted; a forecast

 

[SirGalahad]

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Prediction: a thing predicted; a forecast

Great you can use Google.

Now search for Prediction vs forecast and understand there is a difference.

https://arielfang.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/difference-between-prediction-and-forecast/