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Migration Within EU and its Effect to UK and The Referendum
- Thread starter Himaginn
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Mo Farah's brother didn't make the famous list so how about starting an infamous immigrants list and the great contribution they've made to the prison population. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...early-prison-deported-Britain-knife-raid.html
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blightymam
Blimey, both brothers! Never knew that, well I never
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Doggit
Himmy, why do you start these discussions that are full of statistics (and please remember the comment about lies, damned lies etc) yet have no point to them.
We are becoming an overcrowded country with insufficient housing to handle those already here. Rents are rising, and house prices are becoming unaffordable for generation rent. Our schools are similarly overcrowded, and teachers are struggling with kids who can't even speak English, so can't afford to give the sufficient time to those who can. You can't get a doctors appointment, and have to go to A&E to get treatment, and we have to get doctors and nurses from abroad to handle the shortfall.
Immigrants are prepared to work for lower wages, and that depresses wages for everyone else, and the living wage will just push up prices, and then inflation till we reach the next downward plateau.
Trying to justify immigration by quoting people who are already here, is a very poor way to justify letting all and sundry in to the country. We signed up to a trading group, not a federal state, and we have been sold out by successive governments who don't really know what they are doing, and are only looking after their own interests.
As the EU will not allow us to control immigration, and aren't bothered if we go down the pan, we are left with no alternative but to leave the EU before half of the country is dragged down to the living standards that the immigrants are trying to escape from.
We are becoming an overcrowded country with insufficient housing to handle those already here. Rents are rising, and house prices are becoming unaffordable for generation rent. Our schools are similarly overcrowded, and teachers are struggling with kids who can't even speak English, so can't afford to give the sufficient time to those who can. You can't get a doctors appointment, and have to go to A&E to get treatment, and we have to get doctors and nurses from abroad to handle the shortfall.
Immigrants are prepared to work for lower wages, and that depresses wages for everyone else, and the living wage will just push up prices, and then inflation till we reach the next downward plateau.
Trying to justify immigration by quoting people who are already here, is a very poor way to justify letting all and sundry in to the country. We signed up to a trading group, not a federal state, and we have been sold out by successive governments who don't really know what they are doing, and are only looking after their own interests.
As the EU will not allow us to control immigration, and aren't bothered if we go down the pan, we are left with no alternative but to leave the EU before half of the country is dragged down to the living standards that the immigrants are trying to escape from.
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You have no proof of that... Post up some meaningless statistics from some unsubstantiated source and I'll believe you.
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Doggit
Sorry F&I, you didn't spot my comment about lies, damn lies etc. which is why I don't use them; I use my eyes, and my ears, and I watch the world as it struggles on a day to day basis. I'm also a landlord, and I deal with English and foreign tenants, and they are happy to use every room as a bedroom - they're surprised that we have a living room that doesn't get slept in. I go to the doctors and see over a third of the people waiting aren't speaking English.
5 years ago, if I evicted a tenant, they went quite quickly, now, they stretch it out to the last day in order to have the best chance to look for somewhere else.
Two years ago I could ring the doctors and get an appointment for that day, now I have to go up there and queue because the lines are permanently engaged. On the few occasions that I've had to take my daughter to A&E, it's a similar situation with all the foreign languages being spoken. What's your area like.
I read the newspapers, and the online news reports, and I sift through it all to get a big picture of where the world is going, and it's not a good picture believe me
5 years ago, if I evicted a tenant, they went quite quickly, now, they stretch it out to the last day in order to have the best chance to look for somewhere else.
Two years ago I could ring the doctors and get an appointment for that day, now I have to go up there and queue because the lines are permanently engaged. On the few occasions that I've had to take my daughter to A&E, it's a similar situation with all the foreign languages being spoken. What's your area like.
I read the newspapers, and the online news reports, and I sift through it all to get a big picture of where the world is going, and it's not a good picture believe me
I don't see anyone making guesses about what would have been.
The link is provided for you to check the figures as supplied. Of course you can disagree, but it's normal to provide alternative data, rather than to simply cast doubt without any kind of substantiation.
Interesting article from a right wing paper. We don't know who wrote the article but we do know who worked for the magazine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spectator
Then what? Please set out a meaningful alternative. Not just a bland, "we'll trade with the rest of the world."
This would be best done in the "Trade" thread.
Remember, the current Free Trade Agreement would end two years after giving notice of exiting EU. It would then take many years, much energy, much expenditure to arrange alternative Trade Agreements with EU or other countries around the world. Bearing in mind also we 'sold out' the Commonwealth when we joined EU. Are they willing to welcome us back with open arms, like a prodigal son returned?
Certainly under jeopardy. How many would be lost, and over what kind of time frame is difficult to predict. But there may be a further influence. If EU imports to UK become more expensive (tit for tat tariffs) the the cost of living in UK could rise significantly, thus reducing disposable income, thus reducing domestic consumption, thus jeopardising further job losses.
Simply to demonstrate that migration within EU is not purely detrimental. The benefits at least equal the disadvantages.
I think you're in danger of becoming embroiled in minutiae.
And, I could use your words:
How could you possibly suggest what UK would be like without D of E?
HandyJack returns with his typical nonsense.
If the continental EU is soooooo good,, why are these asylum seekers massing in Calais? Why did they not follow EU law (and why didn't these EU countries follow EU law) and claim asylum (make them claim asylum) in the first EU country they set foot in? Why do EU country after country, pass them on forever north-westwards? Let's face it, France doesn't want them, Germany didn't want them, Italy didn't want them, Greece didn't want them, Austria didn't want them,,, Talk about passing the buck.
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