Pfizer vaccine report

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alternatively take your chances with long or short Covid. The under 40s cannot continue to destroy their livelihoods to protect older people who won’t vaccinate. So take your chances if you think you are hard enough

Great points

Sure there is a risk taking the vaccine.....everything has a risk

Not taking the vaccine has a risk, in fact collectively not taking the vaccine means never ending social distancing.......which we know means lockdown, restrictions, economic damage.

Those that refuse the vaccine are putting the onus on others to take it in order for herd immunity to occur.
 
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most approved drugs have around 1-2% adverse reaction after approval that often don’t come out in the study.
Still not a drug.

Depending on where you draw the line and the vaccine in question typically you see severe reactions from 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 1,000,000.
 
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We won’t know until it’s rolled out. Again we aren’t talking side effects which most people will get. Bio pharmaceutical X causes Y and Y is known to cause Z. Some people reported W after taking X.
Z is a side effect
W is an adverse reaction event.
 
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alternatively take your chances with long or short Covid. The under 40s cannot continue to destroy their livelihoods to protect older people who won’t vaccinate. So take your chances if you think you are hard enough.
It's got nothing to do with 'if you think you are hard enough', it's to do with being properly informed...

If you are happy to go along with what you are spoon fed then go for it...

On the other hand if you wish to wait and find out the facts/evidence then you shouldn't be vilified for asking relevant questions before making a decision...

But then the government relies on the fact that there are now too many dumbed down sheeple who they can manipulate to put pressure on those who object!
 
Who on here has had a flu jab ? Last jab I had was a tetanus when a dog bit me, and before that, a course of jabs for allergies. Had so many injections (40+ over the course of a month) that the doc had to start injecting my other arm as my left one got so tough.

I had a flu jab a month ago, my first. I had been offered a free one for several years, but had declined. This year I thought it best to have it. I have regular blood tests and don't have an issue with those, the flu one was much less painful. I had a tetanus around 10 years ago for the same reason - accidental dog bite, I was expecting it to be slightly painful like the ones of old, but I felt nothing - I to ask if it had been done.

I will be having the covid when offered.
 
""":Like the flu shot, the flu nasal spray — also called the live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) — may cause headache, dizziness, fainting, and a slight fever. However, the nasal spray can also cause other side effects that the shot doesn't, including tiredness, loss of appetite, runny nose, and sore throat."""Influenza might kill you.

I had zero side effects following my recent flu jab, if I exclude a slight ache at the site of the jab for a couple of days.
 
Is that a 'conspiracy theory'?
Or simply an objective analysis of historical developments and a well educated guess as to the direction that we are headed towards?

Should such 'thoughts' be suppressed?

There are a lot of unfounded conspiracy theories on many things, including vaccines. Such can be very damaging on take up of vaccinations generally, so I believe the wildest of them should to be stamped on quickly. Free speech is good, but only if based on facts. Many people are simply unable to determine genuine facts from lies.
 
Here's an expert trying to persuade you by saying he doesn't know and other rubbish:

Why did he bother doing the interview?

 
Could be beneficial side effects

Let's face it that viagra was developed for a heart complaint

Did not work

But the side effects made the company billions.
 
Here's an expert trying to persuade you by saying he doesn't know and other rubbish:

Why did he bother doing the interview?

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He was asked and truthfully answered questions.
I have worked with a fair few scientists- nobody EVER would commit themselves to 100% certainty about anything. What he did was explain things in a simple way. He obviously doesn't know how the Government are rolling this out, or how quickly enough vaccine can be made in ideal conditions.

He was quite clear to me. We need to vaccinate all those who are frail or likely to be worst affected, each person will require two vaccinations and the NHS has a robust and well practiced system for flu, which can be the model for C19.
Without time (the research was done in 12 months not years) we will not be able to say 100% that the vaccination is a lifetime jab. It may need repeating every year, decade, or certain people may need a booster. That's normal scientific practice. Do you think we should wait until 2030 to do tests on the original volunteers? We have to mitigate early use of a vaccine that may wear off in order to ensure that fewer people die.
To obtain herd immunity you need around 60+% to have a vaccine. The more the merrier.
Personally I would support some kind of penalty for anti-Vax individuals unless they can prove a medical condition. I would not be willing to work with someone who refuses masks, although I do work with an asmatic who cannot.
There are certain rules to society that we have to follow. We all know that drink driving may not injure the driver, but has a high risk of injuring a passerby. Therefore we penalise the DD by insisting that they stay sober and drive, or drink and do not.
 
If I were to believe that the vaccines contained microchips and or genetic changing code, then I would be a nutter.
Have I claimed that?

As I have said before, we took a careful and studied look at the MMR before going ahead with it for our kids...

Are you suggesting that these are the actions of 'nutters'?

Or are you the person who simply shrugs your shoulders and then says 'alright guv'?
 
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