Only bending my knee will see is a length of 15 milli. if I've misplaced the Hilmors.
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You're obviously unaware of how socialising and internalising works. Society makes us and we make society.
Socialising = make (someone) behave in a way that is acceptable to their society.
Internalising = make (attitudes or behaviour) part of one's nature by learning or unconscious assimilation.
We are all products of society whether we like it or not. Usually it's not until we are adult and able to make choices in our life, either because we are sufficiently educated or because we are sufficiently independent, that we are able to make those choices you talk of.
For sure, blessed with mature and capable parents, (or other peers) we are guided by those parents and/or peers. But few of us have been blessed with such advantages.
Look at the number of covert and overt racists in this forum. Can you honestly claim they are the product of intelligent, educated parents or peers, guiding their offspring with the intention of producing a well-balanced individual?
It's not about making excuses, it's about understanding the problem. You appear to not be able to differentiate between apologies and understanding.
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All that can be summed up by Philip Larkin: "They f**k you up, your mum and dad..."
Certainly your parents have a big influence in your life, but so do the school friends, the local gang, the kids next door, the brothers and sisters (especially the elders), etc. And parents cannot control all of those influences in your life.
We do assimilate the more dominant cultures, it's human nature to 'fit in' with and be accepted by others. Otherwise we end up as outcasts. If we are outcasts in one group we look for another group in which we might be more accepted.
It's only when we are sufficiently mature that we can make those choices talked of by diy-fun-uk. But for many, it will be too late to make up for lost or mis-spent youth or to break out from the status in which you find yourself.
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But that isn't exclusively confined to people of colour, is it?
If it's human nature to fit in, as you say, then why do many immigrants to this country insist on maintaining their own culture without wanting to integrate into British culture? At the last election i could see many different languages to help those who can't speak English join in our Democratic process and i wonder if an English person would be accorded the same rights if they emigrated to another country: wouldn't you also expect them to fit into the culture of that country and abide by the law and local customs?
You mean like the Brit ex-pat’s in Benners? Lol.
Yeah, them good ol' boys scoffing egg n' chips while watching United Liverpool on Monday night.
Bodd seriously what is wrong with you?
He despises the whole BLM thing. He’s also a Chelsea fan. He simply DOES NOT GET racism, bless him.
Of course not. No-one is suggesting it is. It probably even occurs in animals. Certainly in primates.
Socialisation and internalisation takes place from an early age and continues throughout childhood and into early adult life.
Young immigrants do indeed integrate into the indigenous culture. You regularly see the very real conflict between the culture in the homes of the young immigrants versus the culture in greater society.
The tensions you describe are usually resolved by the younger immigrants integrating into British culture against the wishes of their parents who don't want them to lose the heritage and culture they grew up with.
I didn't grow up with such problems and only understand them through living in a predominantly Indian community and working alongside some of them. The second generation of immigrants were growing up then and they endured the same kind of discrimination as their parents - now the fourth generation is growing up more British than their grandfathers ever were and they seem to be at the forefront of BLM.
So at this point, i guess my question is: do they want to integrate into British Culture or change it to reflect their own values?
Thanks for the lecture. No, you're right, looking at it at a basic level, most of us aren't aware of things like right and wrong, good decisions bad decisions until we're at least in our late teens or maybe even our 20s. Not. Excuses excuses. Let's deflect the blame to everything and everyone else except ourselves. We spend too long trying to 'understand the problem' instead of dealing with it.
Few of us have been blessed with mature and capable parents? Eh? Maybe in your circle this is the case, certainly not in mine. Yeah of course I know of friends and family where parenting maybe hasn't been great to whatever extent, but to use the word 'few' is perhaps a sad indication of the environment you grew up in.
I should have been more specific on the time frame. I've not witnessed any skin colour abuse from rugby fans in the last 10 years or so. Casual racism was a normal part of life for many people in the past, so i'm sure there was racist abuse towards rugby players, but as society has become racism intolerant, so have rugby crowds. Whereas racism in football doens't seem to have followed the same path as the rest of society and still seems acceptable amongst some groups of fans.
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