Rwanda

[Android 07]

Not in the news a lot of late but boats cross the Mediterranean. Turkey has a lot of refugees - the land route with a longish swim. across the Bosphorus. Boats maybe too. Walk across a bridge? Keep trying until for some reason they get through. Forged documents can figure.

In some ways refugees are rather like the point you made about criminals. Should they be legally protected, the charters, the legal people and also charities that get involved. The refugees legal aid.

The Rwanda deal though. What we hear. Processing etc costs no different to the UK. That from an MP.. Numbers. Very much a ??????. Will the UK kick out the usual refugee protocols? £120m for infrastructure - what? Boris did mention something about education. for that? Rwanda and Congo are having problems currently - stable country??

What do they moan about most. Processing costs and additional costs when there is an appeal. Numbers quoted are always arrivals. The ones that get to stay are much lower. Human rights crops up in the other forthcoming legislation. Axe murderer taking a case out against the gov. Didn't succeed but legal people needed. Maybe they want a Priti says rule. Bit like some things the DVLA get up to - no right of appeal.

Why are there real refugees - usually because countries contain ethnic groups, more extreme than the ones we have in the UK, most of the time. One country interfering with another also crops up. Starvation can figure. One "refugee" interviewed from Africa feels he has the right to work where ever he likes in the world. A person may feel like that coming from a country where they for various reasons can be a true refugee. If accepted anywhere they will be wanted to work and not drain the state. Criminals get deported - even those from Europe proper.

We issued ~430,000 student visas last year. Mostly higher education. This can include the right to work for 2 years after graduation.

In 2021 (for the year ending in September), the UK issued 428,428 sponsored study visas to international students and their dependents

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Sponsored study visas issued (main applicants)

275,204​

215,717​

386,858​

This can be a route to staying permanently.

Leaves me thinking what's a few refugees providing they are working.

These student visa holders may have the right to work for 2 years after graduation. But, in uni, they can only do part time work. Only palces that hire them are care homes or MacD's. These students think that after graduation, they can land a top brass job in a multinational. Reality is different. No big company will hire anyone with part-time experience and that too working in MacD's.


Previous batch of student visa holders had the same dream and they fizzled out and didn't achieve anything.

 

[ajohn]

Lived there after the first Gulf war. Yes, Heaven forbid if I should not know about it!

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Kuwait - Migrants & Refugees Section

Despite its strong workforce, nationalization policies, and the increasing struggle against integration of migrants in Kuwait (which has been underway...

migrants-refugees.va

You'll find the count there and plenty more about the country.

 

[Notch7]

These student visa holders may have the right to work for 2 years after graduation. But, in uni, they can only do part time work. Only palces that hire them are care homes or MacD's. These students think that after graduation, they can land a top brass job in a multinational. Reality is different. No big company will hire anyone with part-time experience and that too working in MacD's.


Previous batch of student visa holders had the same dream and they fizzled out and didn't achieve anything.

evidence?

or just your opinion

 

[Notch7]

Leaving the rest to continue to come across, taking the risk in a dingy?

If we had processing centres in France and accepted our fair share, we would collaborate with France to reduce these crossings

hows the great Rwanda deal going -has that stopped them coming?

 

[ajohn]

Previous batch of student visa holders had the same dream and they fizzled out and didn't achieve anything.

Really. I'll leave it at that. Just add that it isn't a cheap option for those that come and that education in total can mean some one applying for subsequent visas.

 

[ajohn]

evidence?

Visa journeys and student outcomes - Office for National Statistics

New analysis on people coming to the UK and holding multiple visas over time. Focus on students coming to the UK and what they do next, alongside workers, and the route to UK citizenship.

www.ons.gov.uk

Perhaps one way of looking at it is that some can become desirable people. An example might be a fully trained medical person. I worked with some some one from Japan who returned around 20 years ago and spent several years working here before he did, Electronics. He wasn't employed as a fresh graduate so must have worked for some other company as well.

 

[motorbiking]

If we had processing centres in France and accepted our fair share, we would collaborate with France to reduce these crossings

hows the great Rwanda deal going -has that stopped them coming?

France has said no, they don’t want to be left dealing with those who are not granted leave to remain in the U.K.

Given many come from the Middle East. We could have a centre a bit closer. Perhaps Rwanda can help.

 

[Notch7]

France has said no, they don’t want to be left dealing with those who are not granted leave to remain in the U.K.

I didnt say that

I said if the UK agreed to process and take our fair share, then France may be more cooperative and help stop the crossings

Given many come from the Middle East. We could have a centre a bit closer. Perhaps Rwanda can help.

hows that idea working out??

 

[Notch7]

 

[Deleted member 294929]

So there is 7 brown people in a dinghy off the coast of Africa. Its very green and that fella with a camera seems wrapped up for winter...... is this one of Notches famous facts?

 

[ajohn]

France has said no, they don’t want to be left dealing with those who are not granted leave to remain in the U.K.

No country will want deal with another's left overs. All reject some. They need to be deported.

In a report issued to the EU Council of Ministers, Frontex said it had deported 8,239 non-EU nationals in the first six months of 2021, a record number and a 9% increase on the same period in 2019, before the pandemic hit global travel

Nothing in this area is simple. It needs loads of information. Why blame when people don't have it? Well it's and easy thing to do. Doesn't help much though does it?

Rwanda. Rather strange. Firstly it applies from a date. The usual way of handling illegal entry is contact authority asap. If a boat is escorted to a port that part is done. They become asylum seekers and have to be processed. The Rwanda idea as mentioned by the gov involves all arriving by boat to be sent to Rwanda. Numbers vary. From https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...he-english-channel-in-small-boats-weekly-data

Date	Migrants detected	Boats detected
30 May 2022	32	2
31 May 2022	249	8
1 June 2022	198	4
2 June 2022	139	5
3 June 2022	40	1
4 June 2022	0	0
5 June 2022	0	0

Date	Migrants detected	Boats detected
6 June 2022	0	0
7 June 2022	79	2
8 June 2022	0	0
9 June 2022	0	0
10 June 2022	0	0
11 June 2022	0	0
12 June 2022	111	3

450 arrivals mentioned one day this week. Say a plane holds 150, cost thought to be ~£0.5m each. Processing costs said by supporters of the idea to be similar to here. So they go to Rwanda. They are still seeking uk asylum not Rwandan. There are lots here already seeking asylum, many having arrived by boat. We have lots here for other reasons on visas. Sounds like airports need even more.

It seems the plane was taking off again due to a ruling from our supreme court - in the public interest. Legal aspects sorted out next month. I found that interesting. Politics pick who sits on it. Rather American. It seems legality is a different subject but I would have thought that should be what a judge is concerned with. Ok it can influence sentancing but that isn't really applicable in this area. I also think just like the police they can be inclined to look at people in front of them and assume a particular type of person.

Behind all this is the intent to change human rights laws anyway. I posted a link, Got fed up of reading it. Loads for the proloteriat some pointing out the oddities of having a system where people can appeal on a human rights basis. Some well this is Great Britain Rule Britannia aspects.

 

[ajohn]

The same link on the human rights bill also mentions how the european courts works and that at times it causes problems - it also mentions that they get sorted out - I'd assume by the heads of european states. This is nothing to do with the EU. Separate entity.

 

[noseall]

The image sums it up nicely.

Boris and his merry band of populists/Brexers are using the 'every cloud' approach to politics. Not of the shoite (populist Tory policies) thrust upon the British public has done any good for the general population whatsoever. Nor was it intended to. Those poor folk that have to come up with urgent deflection policies are working their fingers to the bone, bless 'em.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

The image sums it up nicely.

Boris and his merry band of populists/Brexers are using the 'every cloud' approach to politics. Not of the shoite (populist Tory policies) thrust upon the British public has done any good for the general population whatsoever. Nor was it intended to. Those poor folk that have to come up with urgent deflection policies are working their fingers to the bone, bless 'em.

Not really it's a photo shot.... its not real

 

[noseall]

its not real

The story it tells is very real - vivid in fact. And that is the point of its authenticity.